Brent, let's not be too hard on the guy. Hopefully he'll come around after it's all said and done and tell us what happened. I suspect someone that was a previously unimpeachable source for him just became impeachable.

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Everything I wrote was accurate, it remains accurate, and that's the end of it. Larry Sullivan never, ever leaves the pressroom so throw out whatever he says. I doubt he knows what Kenny Bernstein looks like.

I'm not going to burn the people involved in this deal because I promised them I wouldn't and I live in this world full-time. I spoke with J.R. about a lot of things, on several occasions, this weekend. I spoke with Kenny and added the second report just as he asked it to be written. He was down with everything I wrote. I spoke with Mario Todd, J.R.'s dad. It's all good.

Sorry, I still don't do the rumor thing. I know what I heard from the correct people -- from their mouths to my ears with no one else around. I slept great all weekend.

So J.R. made a special trip to the Media Center just to ask you about the wife and kids?

If scoop wrote what he was told and the information changed, where is the problem. Have you read the second report from him.

Seems like it has become more of an issue here than anyplace else...

It simply looks like if there is something that can be done between KB and JR it will. Just have to wait and see.

jim

Nice swipe at Larry. So you're telling me not to believe with my own eyes and ears what I saw and heard on TV when J.R. and Kenny were interviewed right after and both said it wasn't correct?

(who the hell edited my post? )

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Buell's and Hardley's suck!

Which is probably exactly the state of the situation as this time. But what the discussion is over is this quote from Geiger's piece:

J.R. Todd, wildly disappointed that he didn't get the job driving the fourth car at John Force Racing, is leaving Dexter Tuttle Racing at year's end and joining Kenny Bernstein Racing.

That's a huge difference, Jim. It's being reported as a done deal. From a followup report that should have been a retraction, KB, speaking of Evan Knoll and Torco says:

"...So far, we haven't met with them ..."

Anyone else? I'll share...

DLB

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Brent, have you no respect whatsoever? Is there anyone on this board you haven't insulted in one way or another? Is there something about your past you need to get out in the open and get over so you can just co-exist with others peaceably?

Like it or not Scoop responded directly to the question of his reported words. He was straight forward and clear yet you feel the need to post such vile crap in response? Don't believe him if you wish but there is no need to insult. Rob is a valued resource to everything NHRA drag racing. I can't think of another reporter who is at every event/in every pit/friendly to all involved with our sport more than he is? Why must you insult us all by giving the appearance of your information being more carefully screened than his?

We all know Kenny has enough savvy to keep his mouth shut until his sponsorships are signed, sealed and delivered as a result of the likes of these boards leaking information and jeopardizing the success of such relationships. Time and again, such information leaks have canceled the contracts prior to execution. With this in mind, Bernstein won't even allude to the possibility of landing another major sponsor to bring JR on board. Hence the denial interview! That's smart business! Don't throw Mr. Geiger under your own personal bus for knowing more than others are currently willing to announce at this time.

Time will tell what will happen here but nobody needs to be trashed in the process -- especially a valued resource like Scoop!

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Yeah I do agree he should have said things have changed since I first reported it or the information I got was correct at the time but has since changed.

This is what KB said, "J.R. has a great relationship with Evan Knoll and Torco and they both want to continue that relationship into the future so we're trying to set up a meeting to see if there is anything there. So far, we haven't met with them but it could happen this weekend. It's up to them.


"From what I've seen of him, I like J.R. quite a bit. I go more off of what Brandon says about him and Brandon really likes the kid so that goes a long, long way with me. We'll have to see if anything materializes."


The full quote. So who knows in the long run he just might be right.

So for now I am over it. If it comes to pass great, if doesn't it will just a be a great idea. Hope this is the worst thing I have to think about today that somebody got tripped up by the changing world of NHRA........

jim

Bobby, you kind of contradict yourself in your defense of Mr. Geiger. Basically what you're saying is true; Bernstein knows to keep quiet until a deal is finalized. Apparently Geiger doesn't respect or understand this fact, and he of all people needs to if he's going to be the mouthpiece of the sanctioning body.

Just because he hears some inside info while in someone's trailer or in a hotel lobby, doesn't mean he has the right to report it, EVEN IF IT IS TRUE! That is of course unless he has the approval from all parties directly involved. In this case, he didn't.

What if JR hadn't talked with Dexter about this yet? He might have been out just testing the waters with Bernstein and others. This is not "Entertainment Tonight"!

Alot of us have first hand info of '08 plans from various teams we're directly involved with but it's not our place to announce it to the world. It's theirs!

Bill, I respect your opinion (and I even like you) so I won't argue the point at length. While you are completely correct that we all can hear things that are better kept under wraps until they become press-conference worthy, I believe the very core of Rob's job is to provide a measure of "inside scoop." Unlike other rumor mills, Scoop's statements are clear and he stands behind them as he has this discussion. The difference is that he hasn't divulged any time-sensitive information such as "possible sponsorship," etc. that could jeopardize the success of the deal despite possibly being privy to such information. Kenny may have alluded to some but Rob, to my knowledge, hasn't. Wasn't he hired to bring this very information to us? I suspect he could also be a little tired of being scooped by the other Internet sites' rumor mills with his cautious approach to information he knew before they did?

Point is, I think he's got this story pegged and he hasn't hurt anyone by reporting such.

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I'm just curious on something. I don't care whether or not anyone was right or wrong...

but if Scoop was spot on as he claims to be, why is his claim not being backed up by any of the parties? Regardless of sponsorship issues, etc...if it's true, there would be more than an ambiguous "harumph" from the people involved.

There's a lot of mud, none of it's clear.

KB hasn't been definitive. JR Todd interview on CompPlus was not definitive.

It sounds like one of those games of telephone. Someone told someone, who told someone else, who told someone else about that something, then they finally told that other someone else, and by the time it gets back, it's nothing like it was originally. No one is confirming, or denying. Which to me, correct me if I'm wrong...sounds like it's a rumor.

I'll be interested to find out how this plays out. I will say that it's pretty sad that Larry & Geiger are slamming crap on each other. I guess we'll see who's more reliable...and who is sticking their foot in their mouth.

I have no qualms with anyone. Like I said, good for JR if it happens, dang if it doesn't. Someone ain't right here...and I can't wait to see who.

Scoop had a chance to say he jumped the gun and apologize..............chose not to.

I guess this concludes the glass house and throwing stones segment of the thread.

I wish I had a quarter for every post were something was going to happen, the parties deny it, and then it happened which I think is the situation we have here.

I think Rob was told what he was told but as stated by a few, who I respect, that until the papers are signed nobody will cop to it.

So I will take the wait and see approach.

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Too bad that is not the point............
No matter who says it, until the papers are signed and it is a "done deal", it is a RUMOR. Which is all good and fine unless you make a point of throwing dirt at those that deal in rumors