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Old 08-28-2007, 07:21 PM
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:08 AM
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Pretty tasteless comment from whomever writes the results on NHRA.com. This is what they wrote after 2nd round of qualifying for ProFWD:

The front wheel drive cars were underwhelming so hopefully these guys will put on a better show for the fans still in the stands.

Here is the qualifying latter as of 3rd round:
1. Gary Gardella '07 Cobalt 7.156@ 201.91
2. Marty Ladwig '07 Cobalt 7.175 199.97
3. Jason Hunt '07 Cobalt 7.190 200.59
4. Chris Rado '07 tC 7.348 193.60
5. Ed Bergenholtz '06 MX-6 7.845 185.00
6. Bryan Jimenez '07 Cobalt 8.070 172.78

Those top 4 cars are flying, fwd, rwd, whatever drive. Just wrong discount what these teams are doing.

p.s congrats to titan for running a 6.42 w/ the restrictions...
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Old 09-02-2007, 01:47 PM
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Pretty tasteless comment from whomever writes the results on NHRA.com. This is what they wrote after 2nd round of qualifying for ProFWD:

The front wheel drive cars were underwhelming so hopefully these guys will put on a better show for the fans still in the stands.

Here is the qualifying latter as of 3rd round:
1. Gary Gardella '07 Cobalt 7.156@ 201.91
2. Marty Ladwig '07 Cobalt 7.175 199.97
3. Jason Hunt '07 Cobalt 7.190 200.59
4. Chris Rado '07 tC 7.348 193.60
5. Ed Bergenholtz '06 MX-6 7.845 185.00
6. Bryan Jimenez '07 Cobalt 8.070 172.78

Those top 4 cars are flying, fwd, rwd, whatever drive. Just wrong discount what these teams are doing.

p.s congrats to titan for running a 6.42 w/ the restrictions...
I drive an RX-8 so I have nothing against imports, but the RX-8 is rear wheel drive....as should any proper race car be...
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Old 09-03-2007, 07:32 AM
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Pretty tasteless comment from whomever writes the results on NHRA.com. This is what they wrote after 2nd round of qualifying for ProFWD:

The front wheel drive cars were underwhelming so hopefully these guys will put on a better show for the fans still in the stands.

Here is the qualifying latter as of 3rd round:
1. Gary Gardella '07 Cobalt 7.156@ 201.91
2. Marty Ladwig '07 Cobalt 7.175 199.97
3. Jason Hunt '07 Cobalt 7.190 200.59
4. Chris Rado '07 tC 7.348 193.60
5. Ed Bergenholtz '06 MX-6 7.845 185.00
6. Bryan Jimenez '07 Cobalt 8.070 172.78

Those top 4 cars are flying, fwd, rwd, whatever drive. Just wrong discount what these teams are doing.

p.s congrats to titan for running a 6.42 w/ the restrictions...
I'm the one responsible for the statement, and I stand by it. I am sorry that it strikes you as tasteless. It's not a matter of taste at all as I really like the SC cars if nothing other than for the great technology.

But if the class is going to gain widespread appeal, it's going to have to do a heck of a lot better putting on a show for the people watching. My reference to underwhelming had nothing to do with the performance of the cars in that session that made it to the finish line under power. Unfortunately, that was equal to two cars out of the six running.

The night session last evening in RWD was another example.

I'd love to see the class enter the mainstream and get the acceptance it deserves. But whatever it takes to get some sort of consistency along with a decent car count is an absolute necessity for that to happen.
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I echo Dan's comments. I have watched these SC's since the beginning, and while I am intrigued by their performance, I am equally unimpressed by their lack of consistency. Very, very seldom do you actually see two cars race side-by-side. Plus, after all these years haven't these guys figured out how to get these things to leave the starting line? Just look at the RT's and you get some idea of how poor these cars work in the first 60 feet. I can understand some of the problems with the FWD cars, but the RWD cars are using old world technology, and their lack of consistency is baffling. Yes, they have an abundance of power, but drag racing is more than just building power; it's making use of that power. And in this respect these guys just don't measure up.

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Old 09-03-2007, 09:52 AM
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I echo Dan's comments. I have watched these SC's since the beginning, and while I am intrigued by their performance, I am equally unimpressed by their lack of consistency. Very, very seldom do you actually see two cars race side-by-side. Plus, after all these years haven't these guys figured out how to get these things to leave the starting line? Just look at the RT's and you get some idea of how poor these cars work in the first 60 feet. I can understand some of the problems with the FWD cars, but the RWD cars are using old world technology, and their lack of consistency is baffling. Yes, they have an abundance of power, but drag racing is more than just building power; it's making use of that power. And in this respect these guys just don't measure up.

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How are the prorear cars using "old Technology"?
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:54 AM
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After your statement, I fully understand where you are coming from as far as consistency goes. I thought you were referring to the numbers that the cars were running. Hopefully today they will put on a better show.
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Old 09-03-2007, 10:40 AM
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After your statement, I fully understand where you are coming from as far as consistency goes. I thought you were referring to the numbers that the cars were running. Hopefully today they will put on a better show.
I appreciate your understanding and apologize since my choice of words was open to interpretation and should have been more clear. I suppose they came out of some sort of frustration at not seeing what I know these cars are capable of.

Like you, I'm hoping that they will drop a few jaws when they run in front of the huge crowd here.
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How are the prorear cars using "old Technology"?
Gary, the Pro RWD cars are nothing more than a lightweight pro stocker. They use the same clutch, transmission, rearend, four link, wheelie bars, etc. The old world technology to which I refer is the chassis/driveline, not the engine combination.

Don't get me wrong, I like these cars. With the proper amount of chassis tuning the class could make for good side-by-side racing, rather than what we see today.

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Old 09-03-2007, 11:38 AM
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The chassis is the same as a prostock car
Brad's car Is the same chassis that rick Jones builds for
All of his prostock cars
And they have to be 2350 lbs
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:26 PM
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The chassis is the same as a prostock car
Brad's car Is the same chassis that rick Jones builds for
All of his prostock cars
And they have to be 2350 lbs
That's what I said!!! The reference to weight is, their engines are quite a bit lighter than a P/S car. That gives them quite a bit of weight that they can move around the car. It's called chassis tuning and from what I've seen, only a few understand what the hell they are doing. Brad seems to have a handle on it most of the time, but most of the others don't. Just look at first round from yesterday and tell me who knew what the hell they were doing in Pro RWD. I've seen the same thing in Chicago, Topeka, Dallas, E-Town and everywhere they run these cars.

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Old 09-03-2007, 12:42 PM
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Well said...
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:02 PM
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Man, that Pro RWD final was just plain embarrassing. How do these guys ever think they are going to win over any converts when they go out and put on a show like that? Before they try to build any power they better figure out what makes a car work, and how to keep it in one piece. That was flat ugly!!!

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Old 09-03-2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: Sport Compact at US Nationals

Pro Front represented well:
W/L Driver R-Time E-Time Speed

(W) Gary Gardella ('07 Cobalt) 0.028 7.335 197.59
(L) Jason Hunt ('07 Cobalt) 0.048 7.412 200.02
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:29 PM
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Pro Front represented well:
W/L Driver R-Time E-Time Speed

(W) Gary Gardella ('07 Cobalt) 0.028 7.335 197.59
(L) Jason Hunt ('07 Cobalt) 0.048 7.412 200.02
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That round was a pleasure to watch and I think the crowd liked it.
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