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08-29-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
Since WJ didn't have anything himself to do with what happened, what can a court do to him? He was willing to pay a little for this to go away, but why carry the weight? Let the clowns that pulled the caper off pay. I'm sure Warren didn't pay them to cut up a funny car body.
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08-29-2007, 05:45 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bennett
Guys, I need to clarify a mistake I made in the Jerry Toliver story.
I had listed $60,000 in my original story when the request was actually $38,000. The $60,000 was the cost of the new body and I assumed Toliver requested that amount. In reality, he requested the amount of the damage minus the previous amount incurred when the car hit the sandtrap. Toliver credited for the parts returned.
The total damage bill exceeded $40,000.
Sorry about that.
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That puts a different light on this story
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08-29-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Originally Posted by Paul Songas
Beretta?!?
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Yes Paul, we own this mold. For you we would sell you a complete carbon shell for $4000.-$4500 for carbon cloth w/Kevlar tracers. For Paul Flores or Martin Thomas however, we would have to tin and tree it to their car and stick with the $60K price tag.
Here's to hoping they have as good a sense of humor as they do a disdain for WJ?
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08-29-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Originally Posted by Ian Sweeney
Since WJ didn't have anything himself to do with what happened, what can a court do to him? He was willing to pay a little for this to go away, but why carry the weight? Let the clowns that pulled the caper off pay. I'm sure Warren didn't pay them to cut up a funny car body.
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You know, the whole time this crap has been going on, that's exactly what I was thinking. Are the guys that did this young kids under the legal gaurdianship of Warren? Hell no! These are grown men, so they are the ones that need to step up and take responsibility, not Warren.
The fact that Warren offered anything should've been considered a gift.
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08-29-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Yes Paul, we own this mold. For you we would sell you a complete carbon shell for $4000.-$4500 for carbon cloth w/Kevlar tracers. For Paul Flores or Martin Thomas however, we would have to tin and tree it to their car and stick with the $60K price tag.
Here's to hoping they have as good a sense of humor as they do a disdain for WJ?
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Whew... It's a good thing I run dragsters Bobby
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08-29-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Speaking of WJ, I heard that Greg Anderson kid is gonna quit and start his own team, I bet he'll fall flat on his face 
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Darn! You beat me to that one!
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08-29-2007, 07:24 PM
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Earl Schieb would say $199.95!! 
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RIIIIGHHHTTTT!
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08-29-2007, 11:14 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Originally Posted by Bobby Miller
Yes Paul, we own this mold. For you we would sell you a complete carbon shell for $4000.-$4500 for carbon cloth w/Kevlar tracers. For Paul Flores or Martin Thomas however, we would have to tin and tree it to their car and stick with the $60K price tag.
Here's to hoping they have as good a sense of humor as they do a disdain for WJ?
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WTF?
I don't follow P/S too closely, but WJ and Kurt are my faves in that category.
AJ is my buddy and neighbor. He'll cut me a way better deal on a toyota body.
I'm sure you would sell me a "toy Yoda" like this:
(click, then scroll down)
State: Dream car is a 'toy Yoda'
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08-30-2007, 07:29 AM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
I'll tell you how sharp Toliver's guys were. Word I get is,when WJ started backing the motor home out of his parking space,he damn near ran it over. He and Arlene had to get out and move the body. Maybe if he had ran it over,the debate would be over. I'll tell you something else,track personnel was on the verge of sticking a forklift through it and hauling it to the dumpster before the parts were removed. So I guess WJ's crew wasn't the only ones who thought it was junk,which it was. Yep,real smart guys leaving it behind a motor home.
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08-30-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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Originally Posted by Ian Sweeney
Since WJ didn't have anything himself to do with what happened, what can a court do to him? He was willing to pay a little for this to go away, but why carry the weight? Let the clowns that pulled the caper off pay. I'm sure Warren didn't pay them to cut up a funny car body.
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Assuming what Toliver said is true and Johnson said he would "make good" on the body then that puts him in the middle and possibly liable. It's doubt full the police would have impounded the entire truck, they probably would have arrested the suspects, recovered the stolen property and assuming there was another crew member(s) to drive the truck(s), they would have let them go on.
As someone said earlier, if I were the judge I would hold each party is 50% liable. Both sides did dumb stuff to lead to what happened so I can't see either side being completely blameless or at fault.
Next Case Please! (insert sound of gavel here)
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08-30-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
As I get older, I'm learning that everything that goes wrong is not always "someone's" fault. There are times that it's just circumstances that lead to situations. Here's a perfect opportunity for the onlookers to take sides. For me, I happen to revere both parties with a great deal of respect. It's a complete shame that this happened at all.
Far worse damage has been done with no finger pointing on the track where a competitor has lost control and ruined the entire car of another without any need for blame, we all pick up our own pieces, thank God nobody was seriously injured and go home and repair or replace things saying "That's Racing." It seems a shame such a miscommunication ends up in court to settle differences when worse damage on track would have brought the competitors possibly closer as Allen/Kortesky's tragic incident did with little or no finger-pointing at all?
Such is life, I guess.
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08-30-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
I don't get why WJ has to pay anything. I know my boss would not and should not pay if I screwed something up like this. I think it was a nice offer he made.
As someone who oversees a shipping department and deals with Roush I know you mark and label anything that is being shipped.
Since it sounds like the track workers were going to junk it soon too, I wonder if Tollliver would have went after them. I would think WJ's offer would be good enough and Tolliver should be thankful for that.
Hopefully it ends soon before Tolliver looks even worse and looses fans
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08-30-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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As I get older, I'm learning that everything that goes wrong is not always "someone's" fault. There are times that it's just circumstances that lead to situations.
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Never has a truer word been said, Bobby.
The problem with society today is that for some reason, people do not want to take responsibility for their actions, they want someone else to take the blame.
An example, I got a ticket the other day for speeding, a combination of passing someone, going a little too fast and not concentrating. One of my good mates, is telling me to fight it in court as I might get off. My take on it, and how I have been brought up, is that if you do the crime, you do the time. Simple terms, I screwed up, why should I try blame someone else.
As they say, SH!T HAPPENS, sometimes people just need to accept it.
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08-30-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
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I don't get why WJ has to pay anything.
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The only reason is because he is supposed to have said he would "make good" on it. Otherwise he wouldn't have anything to do with it other than some guys that worked for him did it.
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08-30-2007, 08:32 PM
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Re: WJ/Toliver incident?
Tolivers RockStar deal must not have rockstar dollars for him to want $60,000 for a wrecked body.
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