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08-02-2007, 02:20 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Best pure drivers. I would think in Pro stock that conversation can not be had without mentioning Ronnie Sox
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No argument there, PJ, but I also would be remiss without tossing out the name of one of my heros, the California Flash, Butch Leal.
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08-02-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Who has the most wins in P/S? I believe it's WJ with 96 wins,so he's the champ. 
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08-02-2007, 07:44 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Who has the most wins in P/S? I believe it's WJ with 96 wins,so he's the champ. 
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Hold on with your crowning of WJ...remember, he didn't have Glidden to compete with during his best years. Hmmm...! Bob sure had a great record against WJ and would have surely taken some of Warren's event wins away from him had he still been on the circuit. Another note to consider is that Greg Anderson is marching to the top of the list when the competition is tougher than ever. Many of Warren's wins came at a time when there were just a handful of top competing cars. The bottom half of fields in the 80's were frequently way off the leaders.
No one has dominated the class when the competion was so close as has Greg Anderson.
I just wish he drove a Dodge...
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08-02-2007, 07:49 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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No one has dominated the class when the competion was so close as has Greg Anderson.
I just wish he drove a Dodge...
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It's only close if Greg screws up..he has had the field covered by 3/100's for years.
If and when he gets to 96..he'll be in the same category.
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08-02-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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If and when he gets to 96..he'll be in the same category.
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Greg has had Warren totally covered for how many years now?? Greg is already in the same category as Warren, and when you consider how he continues to outperform Warren, a strong case could be made for Greg beging in a class by himself...without the man formally known as 'The Professor'.
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08-02-2007, 08:48 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Greg has had Warren totally covered for how many years now?? Greg is already in the same category as Warren, and when you consider how he continues to outperform Warren, a strong case could be made for Greg beging in a class by himself...without the man formally known as 'The Professor'.
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He continues to outperform and totally has the the Mopars covered too. The bottom line is,WJ is the WINNINGEST P/S DRIVER EVER until somebody passes him PERIOD.
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08-02-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Hold on with your crowning of WJ...remember, he didn't have Glidden to compete with during his best years. Hmmm...! Bob sure had a great record against WJ and would have surely taken some of Warren's event wins away from him had he still been on the circuit. Another note to consider is that Greg Anderson is marching to the top of the list when the competition is tougher than ever. Many of Warren's wins came at a time when there were just a handful of top competing cars. The bottom half of fields in the 80's were frequently way off the leaders.
No one has dominated the class when the competion was so close as has Greg Anderson.
I just wish he drove a Dodge...
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Warren would have taken some of the wins away from a certain Mopar team and would have a few more Championships if he'd had the throttle in a bottle too.
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08-03-2007, 06:48 AM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Warren would have taken some of the wins away from a certain Mopar team and would have a few more Championships if he'd had the throttle in a bottle too.
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I agree Mike...those were very dark days for Mopar and NHRA...as they helped cover up what was going on. Don't forget DA's drug trafficing bust. What a mess that was, and what a black eye that was on Mopar and NHRA. I was shocked that Mopar continued to employ DA...
Here's my point on Greg and Warren. Give both guys a month to prepare for the ultimate match race. Line those two up and let 'em run. I can't imagine, no matter how many rounds they run each other, how Warren would ever pull off one victory against Greg (unless Greg broke). Warren's not even close to being a top performing car and hasn't been for many years. He's a mid-pack car at best...
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Greg has had Warren totally covered for how many years now?? Greg is already in the same category as Warren, and when you consider how he continues to outperform Warren, a strong case could be made for Greg beging in a class by himself...without the man formally known as 'The Professor'.
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I think longetivity counts for more. It is good and impressive to have a 4 or 5 year streak like Greg has had. But lets look at other sports where somebody goes nuts for a few years then falls off the map. Greg's march is impressive and if/when he continues it for a few more years then he will easily be with or ahead fo Glidden and Johnson.
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08-03-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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I think longetivity counts for more. It is good and impressive to have a 4 or 5 year streak like Greg has had. But lets look at other sports where somebody goes nuts for a few years then falls off the map. Greg's march is impressive and if/when he continues it for a few more years then he will easily be with or ahead fo Glidden and Johnson.
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I realize it probably reads like I'm a big GA fan. I'm "ok" with Greg, but I wouldn't call myself a fan. That said, I certainly recognize what he has accomplished. He's had the entire class covered for the last five years...a period in Pro Stock where the parity is higher than ever. When you consider the rule revisions and efforts by the rest of the field to match his performance, I find it impressive how the Summit cars have maintained a performance advantage over all comers. Amazing...
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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I realize it probably reads like I'm a big GA fan. I'm "ok" with Greg, but I wouldn't call myself a fan. That said, I certainly recognize what he has accomplished. He's had the entire class covered for the last five years...a period in Pro Stock where the parity is higher than ever. When you consider the rule revisions and efforts by the rest of the field to match his performance, I find it impressive how the Summit cars have maintained a performance advantage over all comers. Amazing...
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Gotta agree, John. Although you know my GM leanings, I am not a huge GA fan, but I also am in awe of what the KB team has accomplished and maintained. Yes, they have lots of money, but there's gotta be more to it than that, and I salute them for their efforts. Also, props to you for being so open minded and forthright about the "dark days" of the mopar pro stock history, and for the positive things about the GA effort. We all have our favorite brands and drivers, but we need to be able to acknowledge great efforts regardless of the marques. Although not a dyed in the wool mopar fan, I think many accolades go to the Allen/Roy Johnson effort, since they have always done it "their way" even when shunned by corporate Chrysler. Great driver and a great team. I think Pro Stock is more interesting now than in many years. Oh, yeah, go Connolly!
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08-03-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
No matter how you slice it, ol' Bob set the bar pretty damn high.
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08-03-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
In the mid to late 80's I remember always expecting Bob to qualify #1 and run the table. He didn't always do it, but I definitely wasn't surprised when he did (which always killed me being a Reher-Morrison fan). I can't think of anyone else to come along like that except GA and the KB team last couple years. (Maybe Wayne County but that's all I'll say.) Even when WJ was on top, I don't ever remember "expecting" him to always win like I did Bob then or GA now. I did always expect WJ to get top mph which does say something.
But WJ has found longevity that no other pro stock racer has. He came out of the box competitive and has remained competitive (and btw, middle of the pack IS competitive in my book) for longer than anyone else out there in pro stock today. I can't name another p/s racer that has remained actually driving for as long as WJ. No matter how the landscape of p/s has changed, WJ is always there. We can speculate about the others all we want, but WJ has actually done it and has found a way to continue. That goes a long, long way.
Bob was the most dominant, GA is pretty close now, and WJ has the most wins.
PJ & Terry, Ronnie Sox and Butch Leal would get my votes as well for best pure drivers in p/s.
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08-03-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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WJ has found longevity that no other pro stock racer has. He came out of the box competitive and has remained competitive (and btw, middle of the pack IS competitive in my book) for longer than anyone else out there in pro stock today. I can't name another p/s racer that has remained actually driving for as long as WJ. No matter how the landscape of p/s has changed, WJ is always there. We can speculate about the others all we want, but WJ has actually done it and has found a way to continue. That goes a long, long way.
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Couldn't have said it better, Scott....
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08-03-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: GA Vs Glidden
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Originally Posted by Scott Yama****a
In the mid to late 80's I remember always expecting Bob to qualify #1 and run the table. He didn't always do it, but I definitely wasn't surprised when he did (which always killed me being a Reher-Morrison fan). I can't think of anyone else to come along like that except GA and the KB team last couple years. (Maybe Wayne County but that's all I'll say.) Even when WJ was on top, I don't ever remember "expecting" him to always win like I did Bob then or GA now. I did always expect WJ to get top mph which does say something.
But WJ has found longevity that no other pro stock racer has. He came out of the box competitive and has remained competitive (and btw, middle of the pack IS competitive in my book) for longer than anyone else out there in pro stock today. I can't name another p/s racer that has remained actually driving for as long as WJ. No matter how the landscape of p/s has changed, WJ is always there. We can speculate about the others all we want, but WJ has actually done it and has found a way to continue. That goes a long, long way.
Bob was the most dominant, GA is pretty close now, and WJ has the most wins.
PJ & Terry, Ronnie Sox and Butch Leal would get my votes as well for best pure drivers in p/s.
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Great post Scott. Very well put, and thanks for the nod to the ol California Flash!
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