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06-03-2007, 05:41 PM
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John Force's rant
Wow, he had some good points, but so did Dunn in favor of keeping the rule the same. Anybody else's thoughts?
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06-03-2007, 06:01 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
Personally I have always thought they should have been able to pull a new car out. Its not safe. It should either be you can pull out a new car or you cant run at all. One of the other b/c your never totally sure during thrashing to get a car back together whether its completely safe or not inbetween rounds imo. I hear Dunn's arguement about its always been that way, and in other sports they dont do that, but to me drag racing is different. I also understand Force's deal about being unfair to the single car teams but there already at a disadvantage anyways. I think they should allow it just for safety reasons.
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06-03-2007, 06:04 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
I agreed with John Medlen.....Why would it even cross your mind to run the car after everything that team has gone through?
On the other hand...I know it gets intense out there and you just want to keep going and knowing the reaction that Robert Hight had to skipping Houston..he probably wouldnt have wanted to not go for it...
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06-03-2007, 06:06 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
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Originally Posted by Mikaela Weber
I agreed with John Medlen.....Why would it even cross your mind to run the car after everything that team has gone through?
On the other hand...I know it gets intense out there and you just want to keep going and knowing the reaction that Robert Hight had to skipping Houston..he probably wouldnt have wanted to not go for it...
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I dont believe they were going to run it, just pull up and stage and hope Head screwed up. They were just trying to get lucky and idle down the track for the win if possible.
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06-03-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
He's a hot head and shoots his mouth off and throws his weight around in the heat of the moment.
Always has, always will.
Leave the rule alone.
Let me add also that those guys thrashing on the car are awesome and did a frickin' incredible job putting that burnt car back together.
Awesome heart and will. Huge pat on the back to those guys!!!!
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06-03-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
I think if you wreck it it gets parked. Both sides have valid points but safety comes first and the playing field should be level for all participants. BTW, I am a Team Force fan.
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06-03-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
my opinion, change the rule. let them pull another car out of the trailer. im sure the sponsors would like to change the rule too. john has every right to be mad. he busted his butt to get those sponsors and that team rolling. change the rule! just my 2 cents.
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06-03-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
That’s a tough one. I'd be more inclined to agree with John though. I definitely see Mike Dunns point of view but think if there is enough evidence that a chassis' integrity may have been compromised to the point of not being safe, let them change it. There is no sense in essentially forcing a team to put a questionable chassis on the race track. Not that anyone would put a car that they know is not safe out there, but like John said, sometimes you just don't know how severe the damage may be. Fans pay to see 2 cars go down the track and maintaining the entertainment value is more important now than ever with the buyout. What other motorsports sanctions do or do not do shouldn't matter. There has always been someone that has done something first that didn't care what others were doing.
Just my .02
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06-03-2007, 06:37 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
Didn't want this to have to be my first post, but what the heck...
Safety must be a priority, but it does compromise the integrity of drag racing if someone can just pull out another chassis and race. This totally goes against the smaller budget teams. Here is what I would propose if I were NHRA:
In RH's scenerio, NHRA now says you can pull out a back up chassis and run the next round, but you will have to forfeit the points you were awarded for the previous round win. This way, you obviously won the previous round but because of switch you will be penalized. Safety would not be compromised, you would just sacrifice some precious points. Points may not seem like a big deal at Topeka-but wait til Indy.
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06-03-2007, 06:40 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
Welcome Troy and well thought out post.
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06-03-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
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Originally Posted by Justin League
I dont believe they were going to run it, just pull up and stage and hope Head screwed up. They were just trying to get lucky and idle down the track for the win if possible.
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They didn't thrash that car to pull it to the line and just stage. I think John Medlen was the voice of reason that changed some minds. If any of the crew chiefs had had a few more minutes to think about it, they would have done the same thing (pulled the plug). It's a team effort and they worked as a team and made the right decision. Just MHO.
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06-03-2007, 06:55 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
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Originally Posted by Troy Lane
Didn't want this to have to be my first post, but what the heck...
Safety must be a priority, but it does compromise the integrity of drag racing if someone can just pull out another chassis and race. This totally goes against the smaller budget teams. Here is what I would propose if I were NHRA:
In RH's scenerio, NHRA now says you can pull out a back up chassis and run the next round, but you will have to forfeit the points you were awarded for the previous round win. This way, you obviously won the previous round but because of switch you will be penalized. Safety would not be compromised, you would just sacrifice some precious points. Points may not seem like a big deal at Topeka-but wait til Indy.
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With that in mind, you may elimate those who wouldn't bother because they either aren't in the points or because points equals money and what's the point of spending money if you aren't going to get the points return in the chase for the championship?
That could be where you'd get the people who'd thrash for the heart and soul and not for the points.
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06-03-2007, 07:07 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
Two options...
1) Allow a backup car to be presented for tech inspection at the beginning of a race to be designated as such. IRL has done this for years. Should the need arise during an event said car can be used at any time the primary car is unable to be repaired. This would put a team with a single chassis at a disadvantage, but how many of those truly exist any longer? NHRA's priority seems to be putting on the "right" show for the spectators and TV, so this option makes sense.
2) On the other hand, if NHRA's priority is indeed safety then someone would need to grow some huevos and make a judgement call when a car smacks both walls like Robert's did today. Hit the wall like that and you're done. Period. Maybe reinstate the old break rule to always provide side-by-side elimination rounds?
Those between rounds thrashes are the stuff that made drag racing exciting...especially when the thrash paid off with a win light (the Raymond Beadle body collapse and ensuing Bernstein roof-graft comes to mind). The 75-minute rule has all but killed that unique aspect of professional drag racing. NHRA (and the "new" NHRA Pro Racing) needs to takes steps one way or the other to solve this issue.
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06-03-2007, 07:11 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
I like the rule as is, I don't think every team has a spare chassis in the trailer, so if you change the rule it would only benifit the better funded teams. I am a crew chief on a nostalgia funny car, if we don't feel 100% that the car is safe, we don't run it, and I make that decision. I understand that pro racing is much different then my racing, because you have to get that sponcer name out there, which Force and Robert did, just by getting the car to the burn box, it got more TV time then Head. If NHRA wants 2 cars to run for the fans, bring back the quick loser from the previous round. My feeling for the sake of safty is if any car hits a wall, even in the shut down area, that car should be disqualified, that would take the guess out of the hands of NHRA and the owners. No one would need to determine if the car is too unsafe to run then, it would be out.
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06-03-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: John Force's rant
The only reason I don't like the current rule is, it allows UNSAFE cars to be raced in the professional catagories. Not every team has the integrity to stop and think first, not run the car down the track for safety reasons. If the safety factor is going out the window, take off the rev limiters, and let em fly too.
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