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04-24-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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At the risk of getting crucified for this... here it is.
I wasn't all for the new point system and still at times have a problem with it. But then I think about when the Seattle Mariners won 116 games in a single season to set an American League record. They won more games in 2001 than anyother team in the AL or the NL but they sure didn't win the championship.
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Ok here's why even with your point why I am still against it.
An example: In baseball your team wins 110 games and mines wins 116. In stick and ball sports thats the only number that matters but are all wins the same. What if your team won their games by an average of 3.1 runs and mine by only 1.1. None of that matters, it only matters that you won. Lets look at the losses of our teams, your team lost their games by .8 mine by 4.1 Looks like your team is much better but we don't know that and can't without a playoff.
In drag racing we already do know how good or bad a loss is. You get more points for runner up then you do for going out in the first round. You still lost either way but one is not as bad as the other. I would argue that under the classic scoring system nhra used (ie before this year) that we had the truest champion in all of sports.
Now we have replaced greatness with mediocracy.
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04-24-2007, 03:08 PM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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If the top fuel championship is not as close as last years then can I expect you to be leading the charge of those of us who ***** and cry??? After all isn't a closer championship race why we are being forced this welfare system?
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How about the championship races that are wrapped up before the last race of the year? B-O-R-I-N-G! I can only remember a couple of title races that went to the final race where two or more drivers had a LEGIMATE shot at winning the title. This year you will have 4 cars in each class that has a shot at the title in Pomona, this is entertainment and it will add excitement to drag racing.
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04-24-2007, 03:27 PM
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How about the championship races that are wrapped up before the last race of the year? B-O-R-I-N-G! I can only remember a couple of title races that went to the final race where two or more drivers had a LEGIMATE shot at winning the title. This year you will have 4 cars in each class that has a shot at the title in Pomona, this is entertainment and it will add excitement to drag racing.
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Thats fine that means that they earned it. If I'm the one getting my arse handed to me and someone walks away with a championship fine. I surely don't want to have some welfare points system give me points that I didn't earn just to catch up to them.
So intergrity doesn't matter. No Substance you just want glitz, style and manufactured entertainment. Lets just have a one race for the championship like they did back in the old days. Can't get more exciting than that. Hell we're only a step away from going all amercian idol with this anyway, lets just have a vote at the end of the season to see who wins. Even better we can borrow from wwe/wwf and just start scirpting the races, afterall you just want excitment and entertainment right?
Do you realize that under this system somebody could win 22 of the 23 races and Still not be the champ. Explain to me how that is right?
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04-24-2007, 03:31 PM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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Originally Posted by Paul Miller
How about the championship races that are wrapped up before the last race of the year? B-O-R-I-N-G! I can only remember a couple of title races that went to the final race where two or more drivers had a LEGIMATE shot at winning the title. This year you will have 4 cars in each class that has a shot at the title in Pomona, this is entertainment and it will add excitement to drag racing.
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Better a guy that has it wrapped up by Indy... And Championship on the line or not, I've never seen a boring Drag Race... Every Race is the Sweet Sixteen... The Champ is the person with the most Round Wins, best Qualifying Numbers, Best overall season... The BEST OVERALL FOR THE YEAR is Champion...
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04-24-2007, 03:57 PM
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The NHRA is changing with times; the new system provides a structure that will enable the NHRA to take the sport to a new level as long as it is publicized properly. Right or wrong, the new system will allow the NHRA to put on the best points show possible. The added attention should provide extra exposure to the NHRA and its teams which would not have happened if the championship was wrapped up by Indy. I understand what everyone is saying about the most round wins, etc., but at the end of day more entertainment provides more $$$ to the NHRA.
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04-24-2007, 04:22 PM
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....but at the end of day more entertainment provides more $$$ to the NHRA.
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So when are they going to raise payouts since they are bringing in more money?  The payout for a fuel champ is a slap in the face.
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04-24-2007, 04:26 PM
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Which brings us back to... WWF/WWE....
Book a Show, Pay your Stars... and Crown a New World Champion everytime you have a Major Event...
This PC stuff is for the Birds... Not Everyone is Equal...
We don't have two leauges like stick and ball... we don't need play offs...
We're not the NCAA...
They want it to mean something... if ya ain't in the top 8 after 17, you can't race the last six... if out of the top 4 you can't race V-2 or P-2...
And it will give them LIVE TV at Pomona... Hell the whole race will last Two Hours
That is a True Play Off...
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04-24-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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So when are they going to raise payouts since they are bringing in more money?  The payout for a fuel champ is a slap in the face. 
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They raised the payout by $100k to the champ this year (it is a start). I know it is still chump change compared to the budget needed to be competitive.
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04-24-2007, 05:33 PM
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professional racing of all kinds = Show business. Nothing less.NHRA has to do something to make it more of a show.last I looked NHRA is paying to get their show aired on TV and NASCAR is getting payed for their product/show. We shouldn't be scared to follow in NASCAR's steps.After all they have a HUGE product that makes Drag Racing look insignificant.Second only to the NFL(which is also show business) Just My opinions. I like the chase as a fan. If your the champ your the champ..Everybody works within the same points system.
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04-24-2007, 07:59 PM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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Originally Posted by PJ Sapienza
If the top fuel championship is not as close as last years then can I expect you to be leading the charge of those of us who ***** and cry??? After all isn't a closer championship race why we are being forced this welfare system?
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actually, if the new points system, along with possible other rules changes
nhra may be thinking about implementing, does not increase within 3 years......
1) tv ratings (maybe nhra could some day be on receiving end of $$)
2) sponsor retention / new sponsors
3) fan attendance at nat. events
4) professional racer participation
i will ***** and cry.
there has to be a goal and an established timeline to achieve it.
you can't deviate from the norm without a plan.
whatever they're trying to achieve; i hope it works.
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04-24-2007, 08:40 PM
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Hey PJ, to have an avatar like you have on a racing message board, I have to assume you are a true, die-hard Wolverines fan. So I can't help but ask, were you as upset as you appear to be now when your beloved Wolverines won their National Championships, whether it was football or basketball, yet didn't have the best overall performance for the entire year?????
C'mon! I'm not saying I'm completely for it just yet, either. But this is what makes things like March Madness what it is. The chance that a Cinderella story could emerge to take out the odds-on favorites for that story-book finish.
Let's let it shake out.
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04-24-2007, 11:48 PM
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Hey I like the points system if it means Dean can get a car together and still win the championship this year.
Yeah yeah the chase is a joke I know.
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04-25-2007, 07:27 AM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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Hey PJ, to have an avatar like you have on a racing message board, I have to assume you are a true, die-hard Wolverines fan. So I can't help but ask, were you as upset as you appear to be now when your beloved Wolverines won their National Championships, whether it was football or basketball, yet didn't have the best overall performance for the entire year?????
C'mon! I'm not saying I'm completely for it just yet, either. But this is what makes things like March Madness what it is. The chance that a Cinderella story could emerge to take out the odds-on favorites for that story-book finish.
Let's let it shake out.
Sean D
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No in 1997 when Michigan and Nebraska shared the title I thought that was junk, let them play and find out who is the best.
NCAA march madness, the best team does not always win the tourney, when Michigan won in 89 they did so as a 6 seed, nc state and 'nova have won the championship as major upsets, the difference there is that you have roughly 230 division 1 basketball teams. You simply can't play every team during a regular season in order to find out who the best is. You have to have a playoff there.
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04-25-2007, 07:28 AM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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Originally Posted by Eathon Lanfri
professional racing of all kinds = Show business. Nothing less.NHRA has to do something to make it more of a show.last I looked NHRA is paying to get their show aired on TV and NASCAR is getting payed for their product/show. We shouldn't be scared to follow in NASCAR's steps.After all they have a HUGE product that makes Drag Racing look insignificant.Second only to the NFL(which is also show business) Just My opinions. I like the chase as a fan. If your the champ your the champ..Everybody works within the same points system.
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Nascar has actually lost market share since they switched to the chase, that is why they made more changes to it for this season. Also last season's chase would have also been closer if not for thier "playoff" system
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04-25-2007, 07:47 AM
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Re: NHRA stop and think
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Originally Posted by PJ Sapienza
No in 1997 when Michigan and Nebraska shared the title I thought that was junk, let them play and find out who is the best.
NCAA march madness, the best team does not always win the tourney, when Michigan won in 89 they did so as a 6 seed, nc state and 'nova have won the championship as major upsets, the difference there is that you have roughly 230 division 1 basketball teams. You simply can't play every team during a regular season in order to find out who the best is. You have to have a playoff there.
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Morning, PJ! Are you pickin' on my Huskers again?
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