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Old 03-31-2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: Team Force continues to evaluate data; won't compete in Houston

The fuel engines diesel if the electrical is shut off and the fuel left on. As you shut off the fuel, yes, the engine leans out and the rpm's go up, but there's not much power there in that short term lean condition. Obviously, it would be impossible to make fail-safes for every situation. The funnycars would be the size of the space shuttle and of course not very much fun to watch. We may not see remote cutoffs anytime soon, but if I were driving a funny car and I was on fire, unconscious and heading for the end of the track, I certainly wouldn't mind my crew chief having a way to shut off the fuel and even deploy the chutes.
The remote shutoffs play an important role in monster truck events, but there's more time to react at the much slower speeds that the trucks travel, especially at indoor events. In actuality, the monster truck shutoffs are for the safety of the spectators more so than for the driver.
What the fuel cars need is an onboard impact type sensor. They're very quick and accurate. They can measure deceleration at any programmed rate.This would preclude settiing it off by driving into the chutes. We're talking about a much heavier rate of deceleration here. You wouldn't believe how much better the new airbag sensors are compared to just a few years ago. Airbags don't go off accidentally like they once did. It's the same type of technology needed to create a fuel shutoff.
As for the vibration problem, I think that there are people that are just now realizing the potential problems and someone will do something about it very soon. I'm looking forward to seeing how they approach it.
Sorry for rattling on. It's just a way for me to cope with what has happened.
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Old 04-01-2007, 12:47 PM
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Re: Team Force continues to evaluate data; won't compete in Houston

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It appears Team Force doesn't think a tire failed, there was a different issue with the tire that caused a severe vibration, but the tire did NOT fail.

http://www.nitromater.com/nhra/6029-...chronicle.html

So what do you have say now Brent, you seem to know it all and are continuously putting down others when it appears you were wrong all along saying the tire failed. I will trust what JFR says over anything that is published in a rumor section of a website.
A tire doesn't go severely out of balance and cause "an extreme vibration beyond anything previously recorded in the sport" because it did what it was designed to do. It may not have come completely apart but that does NOT mean that it did not fail. A tire doesn't have to disintergrate for it to be a failure. The tire was responsible for the huge vibration, end of story.
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Old 04-01-2007, 12:49 PM
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You point, or LINK us in the direction of ONE Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company Press Release, or one of your Goodyear spokesman statements... Along with the NAME of this Spokesperson that you keep speaking of... You are making STATEMENTS here... Does that mean that they are fact?? Or are you just quoting the ALMIGHTY BURK??
SHOW ME THE PR OR STATEMENT with the NAME of the Goodyear rep, a JFR Press Release, or anyone else involved with, or who is saying these things that you are spewing on here...
I'm sure Burke can tell us the name
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Further, I talked personally with Goodyear’s spokesman who told me that the tire was in Akron still being examined by their scientists and engineers to determine exactly why the tire failed.
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Old 04-01-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: Team Force continues to evaluate data; won't compete in Houston

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Further, I talked personally with Goodyear’s spokesman who told me that the tire was in Akron still being examined by their scientists and engineers to determine exactly why the tire failed.
I'm just an old footbrake racer and have no experience with nitro burning vehicles, but no where in that quote does it say WHEN the tire failed. It may have been after something else occurred.

I have no interest in making a determination by remote speculation. I really don't understand this Soap Opera style infighting. Is someone giving out points for the correct guess? Capps is way closer to the source of facts than any of us.

Why not just wait for the facts from the Force camp?
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Old 04-01-2007, 08:07 PM
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Re: Team Force continues to evaluate data; won't compete in Houston

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A tire failure can have several meanings
a puncture due to debries on the track
tire intergerity failing due to the rubber being pulled apart.
Sidewall cords being torn
rubber being removed from tire contact surface (chunking )
could be any one or combination. Don't point a finger at Goodyear until tests have been done.
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I think the big problem here is the use of the word "failure." Again, if the tire did what it was supposed to do, it did not "fail." If something cut it and it blew out, that's what it did. If something cut it, that something shouldn't have been there.

I think there's even a chance that someone at Goodyear may have mispoken and used the word "failure" when maybe they shouldn't have. From a liability standpoint, they'd be CRAZY to use that word right now.
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