Terry,

Point taken - and yes, I would. Perhaps I'm starting to see the light...

I'm still not happy with KB though.

P.S. I've really enjoyed this debate. It's been civil, enlightening, educating and enjoyable. I hope I'm not alone in this opinion.

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How can you be unhappy w/ KB? An employer offers a position to a new applicant and the deal is made....No biggie,,,Aren't you upset w/ Walsh...
There are still three other current crew chiefs KB was/is still looking @. If you were a team owner w/ a top notch team and leader you'd make sure to secure them w/ someone like Kenny jumping back into the ranks.
Some don't like to say it but the name BERNSTEIN has huge respect from their peers....probably more than anyone else...

Well if Walsh does not work out, maybe KB can lure Armstrong from Toliver.

I'm starting to accept Jimmy's decision because as you said, if someone offered more money to do the same job (and maybe even a little more job security), then I understand his decision - if that is, in fact, what happened.

KB on the other hand has done nothing but stir the pot since his announced return to the sport as a driver. First he hires the director of Top Fuel/Funny Car operations from NHRA after he's been looking at and inspecting everyone's stuff for years. Although, 1) it obviously didn't matter, and 2) given the recent and potential changes in the fuel categories perhaps this will turn out to be a good thing. (See: The recent acceptance of the mono-strut wing in TF. See also: the very real possibility of returning to 90% nitro in the tank... as examples.) Now he hires away a crew chief who's been making noise with a young gun in TF, seemingly without regard for the impact on the young gun's team. It just seems foul to me, that's all.

Gotta get to work - I look forward to seeing what happens on here throughout the rest of the day.

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Since Kenny's business ethics have always been debatable, you'd think anybody who could have, would have prepared for this eventuality.

Personally I'm not mad at Kenny, and I wouldn't drink Monster regardless of circumstance. It is dissappointing, however, that Tuttle was either unprotected with regards to legal obligation or, unable to respond in a manner to keep Walsh and his team intact.

With regards to cause and effect, Kenny could be a potential huge winner in this deal. In one fell swoop, he upgrades his Funny Car team and diminishes the competition in Top Fuel, where he also competes as an owner. Time will tell.

a quick question to all of those who think Bernstein is a slimeball for hiring (not stealing) Walsh away from Tuttle's team.

Are you upset just because you are a huge fan of Todd or would you be equally upset if he was able to lure Johnson away from Shumacher's team, or Coil, Fedderly, Medlin or Prock from Force's team ?

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That's an easy one Mike - I'd feel exactly the same way.

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Somebody.............PLEASE lure Alan Johnson away!!!

LMAO... I assume you prefer he get lured away to Pro Stock so Scotty wouldn't have to deal with him either, huh?

Whereas I'm not a huge Doug Kalitta fan, I do hope he wins it all this year - he is a class act & has more than paid his dues...

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[quote=Terry Jones;46962]How can you be unhappy w/ KB? An employer offers a position to a new applicant and the deal is made....No biggie,,,Aren't you upset w/ Walsh...[quote]

Let's ask the questions that haven't been addressed as far as I've seen:
Was Walsh an open applicant as you indicate?

How does Dexter or Brad or even JR or the team feel about this most recent maneuver of KBs? How would you feel if it was you?

to further elaborate:

How would Don Schumacher/Beckman/MTS feel if KB had successfully hired away Todd Okuhara or worse yet, lured Alan Johnson away in stead of Jimmy Walsh?

There's a lot more to consider than KBs success, Monster's ROI, the qualifying issues, Ray Alley's mis-ques, etc. There are people to consider - those who will be constituents in the business for the duration of your career. It appears from what we've seen here that such people are of no concern to "mr. business" as he's been referred to. It's a "take no prisoners" approach that I disagree with.

take this from another perspective:

How would KB feel if The Tuttles unexpectedly hired Tim and Kim away in the very same fashion from KB this past three days with a much more lucrative offer?

I just don't buy the "such is the nature of business" BS. We are dealing with people first and money will always take a back seat to that in my world.

Is that's the "Success" you speak of with KB? I'll want no part of it!

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Mike, the answer is yes, if during the season, if it happened off season, (Late Oct to the first part of the year) then that would be a different story. And not because I'm a JR fan... the exception would be a close personal friend whom you've had a relationship with over many years... ie Jim B. and Doug H.

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Yes Gordon, but I would prefer he go to Pro Stock Bike instead!!! That way we are all safe! He could always come over to the Kalitta team. That would be fine with me!!!

I really hope Doug pulls it off this year. This new points system really worries me!

I'll wade in one more time on this.

I don't blame Jimmy Walsh at all. As has been said many times on this thread, if someone offered any of us more money, benefits, security or whatever to do exactly the same thing we're doing, we would take it.

Kenny hasn't done anything ethically wrong by using his resources to better his situation. We would all do that as well, if we could.

I'm upset as a drag racing fan. JR is one of the best and brightest stars we have right now. Our sport needs all the positive exposure we can get. So when one of our former stars who has formally retired twice, stirs things up in such a negative way for his personal gain, I think it's sad. When a team loses a crew chief like this, it takes a long time to recover if they ever do. I hope JR and his team are the exception but at the moment I don't have a good feeling about it.

Truthfully, Kenny and "slime ball" were synonymous to many long before this issue.

I personally, don't have an opinion (with regards to Kenny) with so little facts being made public, however, it's my feeling that this is a bad deal for all of the principles, including the fans.