Is Ray Alley still the crew chief?

#**136** 02-28-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jer Weaver

Has Herbert tried Alley yet,haha

That would be a match made somewhere south of haven.

#**137** 02-28-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce mullins

god you people need to grow up! a second topic about kb. come on. like him or not this is the normal in all motorsports. how about powers taking MATCO , BETTER YET HOW ABOUT THE SHOE TAKING MATCO AND MOPAR FROM SKUZA. how about beckman buying the seat out from under bazemore after baze tought him how to drive a funnycar? how about mike waltrip taking NAPA from DEI. how aboutdale jarrett taking UPS to waltrip racing? how about FORCE taking AAA from DENSHAM? DONT YOU SEE A PATTERN!? there is no loyalty in big buisness or motorsports. auto racing is such a small world so you hear and see what happend all the time. how much of this happens between major companies in the entire world that you don't hear and you don't know. if the ceo left mcdonalds and gave burgar king the recipe for the special sauce on the big macs would you cry fowl? who cars. if you don't like the program then change the channel.

What do you mean grow up??? People have opinions if you dont like them dont read them!!!!!

#**138** 02-28-2007, 07:03 AM

Honestly, I'm not a fan of KB, thats just my position. This happens all the time in drag racing. Are we also angry that Jerry Tolliver took Dale Armstrong back in the day? Or that Force took Coil back in the day? Or Bernie Fedderlie? Or Jimmy Prock? Or that KB took Tim AND Kim??? C'mon man, it's a business. I'm a huge JR Todd fan, but I'm sure KB could offer Walsh more compen$$$$$ation here. No offense to JR's team and I hope all parties do well here.

#**139** 02-28-2007, 07:20 AM

I just poured out the only monster energy drink I will ever buy.

You suck KB. But business is business I guess.

You'd think he would of Poached a F/C tuner. Not someone currently
tuning a T/F?

#**140** 02-28-2007, 07:26 AM

I'm torn on this.

I understand the business side, KB needs to make a change to fullfill his commitment to his team and his sponsors, he did what he thought was needed. If we won the big lotto and started a fuel team we'd all be giving blank checks to Alan Johnson or Austin Coil in order to get them on our team.

If I was in Walsh's spot and someone offered me a ton more money than I was making it would be hard to say no, especially to a team that I already had connections with.

With that said I do think there is something to be said for loyalty and intergrity and making such a move during the season just seems wrong.

#**141** 02-28-2007, 07:32 AM

I have never seen a bunch of crying babies like some of you here. Everyone needs to remember this is a business and you should leave your feelings at the door when it comes to business. Why aren't you upset with Tuttle for not having an enforceable contract to keep him with the team throughout the year? Business is cutthroat at times and this is a perfect example. If you were in Bernstein shoes you wouldn't have made a similar decision? If you wanted to be successful you would!

#**142** 02-28-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce mullins

god you people need to grow up! a second topic about kb. come on. like him or not this is the normal in all motorsports. how about powers taking MATCO , BETTER YET HOW ABOUT THE SHOE TAKING MATCO AND MOPAR FROM SKUZA. how about beckman buying the seat out from under bazemore after baze tought him how to drive a funnycar? how about mike waltrip taking NAPA from DEI. how aboutdale jarrett taking UPS to waltrip racing? how about FORCE taking AAA from DENSHAM? DONT YOU SEE A PATTERN!? there is no loyalty in big buisness or motorsports. auto racing is such a small world so you hear and see what happend all the time. how much of this happens between major companies in the entire world that you don't hear and you don't know. if the ceo left mcdonalds and gave burgar king the recipe for the special sauce on the big macs would you cry fowl? who cars. if you don't like the program then change the channel.

Couldn't agree more! All of the examples you gave is a perfect example on how the business can be harsh at times, but it is reality.

#**143** 02-28-2007, 08:03 AM

Sponsors are out there to win! The Monster machine wants as much Ink on Sunday just as much as the U.S. Army, Castrol, Auto Club of So. Cal. you name it. My Guess is that Jimmy Walsh got a substantial Pay increase on this deal, how many of us would turn down a pay increase such as this? Why do you think AJ and Coil make the $$$ they do?

#**144** 02-28-2007, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Miller

I have never seen a bunch of crying babies like some of you here. Everyone needs to remember this is a business and you should leave your feelings at the door when it comes to business. Why aren't you upset with Tuttle for not having an enforceable contract to keep him with the team throughout the year? Business is cutthroat at times and this is a perfect example. If you were in Bernstein shoes you wouldn't have made a similar decision? If you wanted to be successful you would!

thats what I'm saying. I don't like it and I think it sucks, buts thats business and I don't know that I can fault them for trying to survive.

Don't hate the playa hate the game

#**145** 02-28-2007, 08:18 AM

I wonder how Brandon feels??? Isn't JR one of his best friends?

#**146** 02-28-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Eshbach

The only way Kenny can redeem himself on this deal would be to pull his kid out of the dragster and put JR in in his place.

Why on earth would he do that? Walsh wasn't Todd's personal property that KB took at gunpoint. It was a business deal. Get over it.

#**147** 02-28-2007, 08:43 AM

I'm a little suprised so many are upset over this deal in this day & age.... To me, Phil Burkhart (who was the shining light for CSK last year) getting bought out of his seat by Jeff Arend sucked way more than this deal...

But they were both business (i.e. $$$$$) decisions... Loyalty left a long time ago...

#**148** 02-28-2007, 09:03 AM

Guys/Girls......whats w/ the whining over the K. Bernstein deal? Many here would be surprised about some contracts floating around many top NHRA teams. These contracts are not like 'real' entertainers contracts. We are talking drag racing people...low level entertainment to the people that matter.
Walsh was w/out a contract as many crew chiefs are as we type. Todd is w/out a contract....old news guys/girls. The top ten teams in F/C and T/F still employ people as interns....free labor on a fuel car is want these car owners want, and they have no problem finding free/cheap help. If you think $30,000 a year, (after you prove yourself for free) is good money than you should apply for a touring fuel team. Bernstein nailed down Armstrong years ago w/ a contract (million dollars over 6 years) so no one could take him away. Walsh as many other tuners are not paid what they think they should be and he walked...simple as that....Alley had a race-to-race contract as did West....West knows his stuff as well as the best of em. Bernstein tried to get Armstrong but Dale (rents property from us in Temecula) did not want to do this tuning thing again and give 110% of his life.
Kenny did what most thought he'd do and if you had a successful business you would do what it takes to retain those people from ever leaving to be your competitor.
Kenny has empty pockets and rumor was true that Kenny has his eye on Todd and Phil @ DSR for 2008 and on.......

#**149** 02-28-2007, 09:07 AM

One of the factors everyone seems to be overlooking is the Tim /Kim Richards connection.They seemed to have something to do with Walsh coming to KB.And we haven't heard Walsh's side in this either.Maybe he wanted to change.Let's not so quick to condemn KB on this deal.

#**150** 02-28-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Green

.......I just think it's a shame that a 62 year old who has done it all and should be content to be a team owner...................

Who in heck are we to say what anyone "should be content" to do?? That's a pretty presumptuous statement. I never for one second believed that Kenny was happy "retired." I thought he looked miserable watching his son drive his car. In fact, he made no bones about the fact he hated "retirement" and would love to get back into a car pretty much the entire time he was "retired." His "Farewell tour???" That's called marketing. (Remember folks. This is a business.)

And just what in tarnation does his age have to do with anything????

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Originally Posted by David Keech

One of the factors everyone seems to be overlooking is the Tim /Kim Richards connection. They seemed to have something to do with Walsh coming to KB. And we haven't heard Walsh's side in this either. Maybe he wanted to change. Let's not so quick to condemn KB on this deal.

It WILL be interesting to hear Jimmy's take on this.

Get a grip, people.

Is Ray Alley still the crew chief?

Is Ray Alley still the crew chief?

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