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02-06-2007, 09:28 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
Does any other tire maker make that same size tire? Years ago when D. Gwynn was still driving he had a violent explosion and he said something like that if GOODYEAR stopped making fuel tires they (racers) would not have any tires to race with....
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02-06-2007, 09:32 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
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Originally Posted by Jim Young
This is EXACTLY why I started this thread! Goodyear has recommended that fuel teams not run tires produced within an unspecified "production frame".
So . . . you are a fuel team owner or crew chief. Do you ignore this warning and hope that your driver makes it down the track without a tire delaminating?
Fast Jack was lucky at Phoenix and Hillary was VERY lucky at LVMS. I hope one of our heros does not run out of luck at Pomona.
Should NHRA be involved in this? YOU BET YOUR ASS THEY SHOULD!!
Hoping for a safe race this weekend - JIm
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I agree.
If I was a paid top fuel driver, I'd certainly like to know what the heck is going on with the tires BEFORE Pomona. The season hasn't even started and there are all ready problems. How long until another accident, or someone else is killed? When will the luck run out?
Chris Andrews
ColoradoDragRacing.com
Last edited by Chris Andrews; 02-06-2007 at 09:37 PM.
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02-06-2007, 09:39 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
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Sean,
Or, we could go ahead and have a choice besides one spec. tire... long, long ago we had Firestone, Good%Year, and M&H... Is there anyone else out there that wants to play now?
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This was a thread on the Old Mater I think.... Basically, it comes down to Goodyear being the only game in town at this point, as none of those other manufacturers has made a drag racing tire that has gone over 275mph... The amount of technology and engineering (and the costs involved) necessary from Firestone, M&H, Hoosier, Toyo or any of the other manufacturers of racing tires to design and create a new nitro slick far overwhelms any possible profit that could be gained by the introduction of a new tire. Not to mention the liability insurance necessary.
Goodyear, for all their faults (if any), are lightyears ahead of any other tire manufacturer in the creation of a safe, reliable, consistant tire for drag racing. To achieve that kind of level, any other company would possibly need years of R&D to produce the same results. And, sadly enough, those results are always variables when it comes to the extremes generated in the nitro classes. Every day someone tries to make all of this safer. And every day somebody tries to go faster. That rubber band can only stretch so far.
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02-06-2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
So, he asked, can a fuel car hook up without doing a burn out? Let's say, oh, a dry hop and go.
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02-07-2007, 06:30 AM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
Ask Jim Head.
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02-07-2007, 09:20 AM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
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So, he asked, can a fuel car hook up without doing a burn out? Let's say, oh, a dry hop and go.
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Ian's right. Jim Head's been advocating dropping the burnout for some time now. He's said before that if NHRA would let him, he'd bypass the waterbox and pull to the line, and it wouldn't make any difference.
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02-07-2007, 11:35 AM
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Its unforunate but I seriously doubt that M&H, Hoosier etc would have the finances or technical experience to manufacture a TF tire. Firestone? probably. But I'm sure that they figure that the cost of developing a tire is too much considering how few TF tires they could sell.
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Uuhh... Scroll up a couple, Charles..
It's like dejaVu all over again..
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02-07-2007, 05:05 PM
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Ian's right. Jim Head's been advocating dropping the burnout for some time now. He's said before that if NHRA would let him, he'd bypass the waterbox and pull to the line, and it wouldn't make any difference.
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So then, the question is, does putting the extra heat into the tire have adverse effects on the tire construction and could it lead to delamitation?
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02-07-2007, 08:55 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
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Uuhh... Scroll up a couple, Charles..
It's like dejaVu all over again..
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Frankie Pedregon lost a sponsorship because Toyo was going to produce one but NHRA and all of their wisdom blew that deal.
Firestone had plenty of probelms of their own with the Ford Excursion lawsuites!
The other companies would produce a T/F tire except why would they want to waste rescorces if they cant sell it? 
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02-07-2007, 09:18 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
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So then, the question is, does putting the extra heat into the tire have adverse effects on the tire construction and could it lead to delamitation?
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There are some other factors in place during a burnout. I've been told that building the proper amount of heat in the clutch is critical. Observed several TF teams pushing the car though the water box at Phoenix time trials - drivers then eased into the thottle instead of doing a violent burnout.
Jim O . . . if you're watching, I'm sure we would all be interested in the dynamics involved here!
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02-08-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: Goodyear Statement - no response from NHRA?
Though that Steve Federlin was testing Toyo tires when he blew one and wrecked
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