What the heck you talking about? I don't know what kind of license you're talking about. Maybe Go Cart.

NHRA wants progressively faster (MPH) and quicker (ET) runs at various distances. THEY ALSO WANT CLEAN RUNS. Nobody in their right mind wants to see someone in trouble or run on a slick track.

I can't even imagine where you came up with this. Maybe in a dream. I'll tell you one thing, you're offending our intelligence.

Here's an update:

There are a few simple steps to obtaining an NHRA competitions license: First, you will need an NHRA physical examination. Family doctors or walk-in clinics can provide this. Secondly, you must pass a blindfold test in your race car- knowing where all controls and switches are without looking for them. Finally, you will need to make a total of six runs and have those runs witnessed by two drivers who are currently licensed in the class for which you are applying (or a faster class). During the session, a new driver is required to make one half-pass and three moderate runs. Then two full runs are required. All full runs must produce ET's representative of the category applied for. Original time slips from all six runs must be attached to the license application. All test runs must be single (non competition) runs. Further details on the NHRA licensing procedure are printed on the NHRA license application.

How do you comply with the last two runs while skating around the track? Last but not least, you do not have a license. You could not have provided the time slips required by the NHRA because you said they were slow runs.

I hate bullsh-t!

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Thank you !! To get a licence you MUST run within a certin % of the national record in ET.. (not sure how close you must be)

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Most of what you wrote is incorrect for license upgrades. What you are talking about is for those with no current license. Unless the rules have changed recently all you need to do is have a current physical (within the last year) and make two or three runs the last two of which are some percentage of the current record times. There is no requirement you go straight, don't smoke the tires etc. The people signing your license are the ones who evaluate whether your car control during these passes is sufficient.

One of the most rediculous posts I've ever read John. Like I said, I hate bullsh-t.

I'm running at Bradenton. 5 day event starts tomorrow. I know you'll be at Englishtown. Good luck to ya.

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Ron, where was an upgrade mentioned? Damn, I posted the requirements for a license. You say I'm incorrect. You need to contact the NHRA. I did a cut and paste of the requirements. How do you not go straight or sit there spinning and meet the ET requirement?

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For some reason 5.10 stick in my mind for a flopper ticket right now... which is about 10% over the national record... but I also thought last winter, someone cross rated with a 5.2...

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Here ya go Karl. http://www.nhra.com/contacts/forms/licenseapp.pdf

For an upgrade you have to make 3 runs instead of 5 and the last two have to be full runs and the ET slips sent to NHRA.

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. . . and so, the debate continues . . .

. . . I'll conceed to your expertise. In fact, if and when my two sons that drive our funny cars now decide to upgrade to Top Fuel Funny, I'll be sure to take them to Palmdale for the correct and proper initiation. It's OK though, since they both "paid their dues" by building and tuning everything they drive, they'll be perfectly safe at 300 there.

I'm going out to agrue with my dog where at least I can come away with a tie.

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Looks like you all could have a chance to give John Force your insight on what HE should do with Ashley!

ESPN.com - Blount: Vote for Ashley? Young Force's career in your hands

The requirement to make a pair of representative runs (as spelled out in the rule book) is definitely still in force. I was at ORP at I (the track formerly known as Indianapolis Raceway Park, and don't get me started on that subject) while Jack Backman was doing his crossover runs. He got a good one in on the first shot on Saturday but then got loose on the next couple of attempts so Todd and the boys had to come back on Sunday and make that final quick run. Note that this was for a guy with recent national event T/F seat time.
Have no doubt that Ashley is capable of drivng a funny car either. At the pre U.S. Nationals test she carded a 4.8 lap and the car was definitley not going straight down the middle of the lane. I was standing right behind it and she used up a considerable portion of the lane.
More stuff---Eric Medlen had made a number of laps in Ben Marshall's A/FD before he sat his arse in one of John's cars.
--Ashley gets it. She knows that she is a member of the "Lucky Sperm Club" but she is the real deal. At the Indy test she was hanging out with the rest of the younger fuel racers and crew guys--she is just like one of the boys but she looks waaay better.
--If Coil is impressed with Ashley's driving ability (see Vegas quote) so should everyone else be.
--- Sure John is paranoid about Ashley's safety ( just like any other dad would be). His take on the whole deal is that he is very lucky to have survived his early years in a flopper and that he will do everything in his power to look after his little girl. And that comes directly from the man himself.
---As for the comments about the NHRA pulling Hillary Will's ticket to drive, is this fact or another of those "I know someone who knows someone that heard this" story. I don't seem to remember even the most ardent rumour mongers spreading this one around in the real world.

Roo Man

Terry I understand what your trying to say but the point is, she will never be on Union Grove Raceway in a Nitro Funny Car, so who gives a $hit if some crafty independent could beat her. She dont have to worry about that.

Robert....I have an advanced e.t. licence 2b and do know what I am talking about.
I guess I was just venting about the "lucky sperm club" and the direction this sport is heading. I for one am not impressed w/ this group of newbies and their checkbooks.

And to B. Miller....I have been very involved in CIFCA for a number of years and have to say that I was very impressed w/ your racing operation.
The values your family displays towards one another/other race teams/ and the fans was very impressive and made me want to be a better parent.
Your morals are top shelf which I rarely see w/ racers.

I for one did not realize that this site had so many 'FANS' of the sport while never really knowing the aspects of the mechanical side.

And the fact was there on H.Will having her license yanked.....you have to be involved in the behind the scenes to know the dirt. Alot of veterans are very concerned w/ these newbies running 320 mph and not knowing where they are on the race track.
I hve seen many comp. graphs that indicate full throttle .8 to 1.9 sec. beyond the finish line.

I am a fan of anyone that can take out the money cars. You know the money cars, they come to every race w/ 8 shortblocks and 11 employees to service the car.
How hard could that be?

It used to be that making the cars run A to B was the challenge.
Now the challenge is finding $$$$$$$$.

At Vegas I talked to one FC driver think's Ashley will have problems driving a FC, Especially on a Hot/greasy track. Remember Robert Hight had Plenty of Seat time before his first race. I'll certainly give her the benefit of the doubt but all the Dragster laps in the World won't prepare you for a FC.

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From ESPN: So I guess John is misreporting again.
"I really want her to tell me she's ready," Force said. "She's shown me she can drive the car. She tested fast enough to qualify at Las Vegas. Heck, she was on fire one time and she got out smiling."ESPN.com - Blount: Vote for Ashley? Young Force's career in your hands

"And the fact was there on H.Will having her license yanked.....you have to be involved in the behind the scenes to know the dirt."


And Keith "Roo Man" Burgan is not behind the scenes?!

yikes.

Brian