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Old 09-18-2006, 08:43 PM
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NASCAR teams still test at Rockingham.

Which tracks would get to hold the designated tests? The other tracks would want a cut of the action since they make money on the Monday testing under the current setup.

Basically, as was said, it's unenforceable, would just make running IHRA events more attractive.

How would you get parity - a four-car team would still get four times the testing compared with a one-car team.
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Old 09-18-2006, 08:50 PM
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Just how exactly did they bring the lesser funded teams back into play with the playoff chase?
Because it allows the less-funded teams, who under a 23-race points system wouldn't have much of a shot at championship (based on the previous points standings), would under the new format. Look at Tim Wilkerson. His best season was in 2004, when he finished seventh after winning twice in three final rounds and two semis. Even under his best season, he had no shot at the title, but other the new system, at least he would have an opportunity.
The independent teams can now just shoot for a top 8, and then hope they can get hot in the fall.
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:51 PM
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Because it allows the less-funded teams, who under a 23-race points system wouldn't have much of a shot at championship (based on the previous points standings), would under the new format. Look at Tim Wilkerson. His best season was in 2004, when he finished seventh after winning twice in three final rounds and two semis. Even under his best season, he had no shot at the title, but other the new system, at least he would have an opportunity.
The independent teams can now just shoot for a top 8, and then hope they can get hot in the fall.
What planet have you been on??? This isn't 2004...it's 2006....the cost for a Tim Wilkerson to run one these car has risen dramatically. Have you looked at the Top Ten in points lately?? Lower funded teams my ass!
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:53 PM
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What planet have you been on??? This isn't 2004...it's 2006....the cost for a Tim Wilkerson to run one these car has risen dramatically. Have you looked at the Top Ten in points lately?? Lower funded teams my ass!
I've been on planet Earth. The point is that under the chase format, an indpendent team can shoot for a top 8 by the cut, and it still gives them an opportunity to at least compete for the title. That's not the case under a points-only format.
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Old 09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
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From JROD - "Me thinks Sankes paper is getting low. Why limit testing?"
Very perceptive! Snake's personal pockets are probably nowhere as deep as Shoe, Black, Conrad, Evan, Powers and Lucas. Purported Target and/or Crown Royal deals are not done. Should be interesting to what happens if Snake has to start the season without a sponsor!
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:48 AM
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I have never seen Snake care about $$$$! since when does he care about the independent/low funded teams?

I agree $20k is alot to spend in a day testing....I wonder how much Snake's jet fuel and pilot bill is for the year? Maybe he should park the jet and test the cars...
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:41 AM
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Boy,,,More rules what a terrific idea!!

I don't see me owning a fuel car so my opinion really doesn't matter. But, when did it become any of somebody else's business, if or when , I took my hot rod out to play??? I own the thing, if I wanted to go run it I would.

NHRA should go back to being a safety sanctioning body, and not try to make a rule for when I can go start my tow rig to go racing.

What is next? NHRA holds all the cars and transports them to the races. Then you stand in line with your checkbook and say, I would like to race the blue one today please. It really doesn't matter which one you get, they are all the same.

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Old 09-19-2006, 08:49 AM
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Most importantly, I don't believe we need more rules imposed on a successful organization, in fact, can we go back to a week before Indy and impose a moratorium on rule changes?
Or maybe a little further back when the AA classes were unlimited
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:56 AM
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I have never seen Snake care about $$$$! since when does he care about the independent/low funded teams?

I agree $20k is alot to spend in a day testing....I wonder how much Snake's jet fuel and pilot bill is for the year? Maybe he should park the jet and test the cars...
Are you still upset about the SPY+ deal?

You seem a little down on Snake.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:44 AM
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I see people don't understand sarcasm.
Stop making rules to 'level the playing field'...
I can't afford to play, so I don't. If you can afford to test a hundred days a year, then do it. If you can only afford to test 10 or 20 days a year, guess that's it. If you can only afford to run your mess on race weekends, so be it. Match race on the off weekends, I'm sure there's people that will play to see you race, or do what Gilby's doing the next couple of weeks, go for a title you think you can win.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:30 PM
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If there is one constant throughout all of racing, it is that people will spend whatever it takes to win/be competitive. Unfortunately, there is no way to put the genie back in the bottle. Look at NASCAR, every square inch of sheet metal is strictly regulated, yet teams are spending millions of dollars on wind-tunnel time, even though a car that has never been in a wind tunnel will fit the same body template as one that has been in a wind tunnel for hundreds of hours. Racing fuel is no different, and Snake is merely suggesting the owners be given some protection from themselves. True, there would be nothing stopping them from racing IHRA, and a team that has 4 cars will still be able to test 4 times as much as a team with 1 car, but there is still an intrinsic savings attached to not running the car as much as they would be otherwise. From Snake's point of view, Shoe is already testing 4 times as much as him anyway, so why not limit the number of test dates, so he doesn't get caught up in running a test team or really trying to get more runs in on a Monday test session or testing on off weekends to try and keep up with Shoe and Force. It's not level, but it is "more level" than the direction the owners are heading.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:41 PM
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What is yall's take? Personally I think it sucks. I understand the reasoning for it, but if one team can afford to test more, then so be it. Plus, its an even bigger advantage for the multi car teams that yall so hate.
Better call him a waaaaambulance.
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The whole testing limit rule is a joke in Nascar. The teams are simply not allowed to test on tracks that they run races on except for certain approved dates. All of the rest of the time they are testing (at will) at all the tracks that don't hold cup races. Like Kentucky, Concord, Nashville and alot of others. The big $$ teams will test no matter what, somewhere. The smaller ones do too, although in a more limited capacity.

Drag racing would be no different, Teams will find a way to get it done. Somewhere/ somehow. Bad idea IMO.
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:25 PM
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NHRA = CAN OF WORMS

They have lost control of "their" operation.

Back when all the multi-car teams started showing up NHRA should have limited the teams then. Now its become a requirement to win a championship to have multi cars. Testing wouldnt be an issue now nor would the cost of operations.

If you think a testing limit is fair or not then so be it bottom line it is a losing battle for the lower funded teams. We have to give the single car efforts a lot of credit for just trying.

I say no limit on the amount of testing a team can do provided the team limit was 2 cars per class.
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:28 AM
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The whole testing limit rule is a joke in Nascar. The teams are simply not allowed to test on tracks that they run races on except for certain approved dates. All of the rest of the time they are testing (at will) at all the tracks that don't hold cup races. Like Kentucky, Concord, Nashville and alot of others.
That's the whole point. You can test at a non-cup track, work on something and then find out what worked at the non-cup track doesn't apply to the different characteristics of the Cup track, no matter how similar they might appear to the track you tested on. As far as NHRA is concerned, I talked to Alan Johnson last year, and he is not high on testing just to test. He told me he prefers to try new things during the pressure of qualifying, because that's when you really are going to have to apply it. He said he prefers to try new things during qualifying through the summer months, pick at it a bit, and then by the time they roll into Indy they can really drop the hammer in the fall. It's worked the past two years, and I have no reason to believe that it won't work again.
If NHRA was to limit testing at selected sessions throught out the year. I think teams will still do some testing at non-powerade series tracks, but since what they learn they can't really apply to what they get a national event, I think those tests would be limited. I remember when Pro had their pre-season warm-up at Tucson, very few teams showed up because they believed what they learned, they really couldn't apply it during the season. I think the same might be true if there was limit placed on testing at NHRA tracks.
Just a thought
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