Snake Wants Testing Limited

#16 09-18-2006, 02:26 PM

Yeah.... Limit testing.... Force will just purchase or have a track built for his team. Nobody can tell him he can't run on his own property. Bare bones 1/8 or 1/4 mile strip and run the wheels off the cars anytime they want. If they do make it 1/8, save full pull runs for the "allowed tests" by NHRA. Ethier way, it will not help the Snake.

Let's just think about this--- NHRA says during the year, per team, you can only test 6 Mondys post national event, max 4 runs a day. GREAT. TJ makes 24 passes through the year. In the mean time, JFR and DSR gets 96 runs for their 6 days, 4 runs per team. That helps the Snake how??

#17 09-18-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John Goss

I would be willing to bet that EVERY team owner would love to have limited testing. They just don't want to admit to it. The amount of cash to test all the time has got to be HUGE. Now, maybe from a crew chiefs point of view, I'm sure they want unlimited testing. When you're not the one writing the checks all the time, why not test-n-tune? I am no expert, but the costs to campaign for a season have got to be spiraling out of control. If the NHRA did limit testing, like it was stated above,it would be impossible to enforce.

Ofcourse every owner would love not to have to test as much as they do. It saves them money. Buts it called the price to compete. They know that going in, so they have to budget for it. No one says they have to test.

#18 09-18-2006, 03:24 PM

Two things come to mind. First Snake is NOT a member of PRO so would he still be affected?

Second the way NASCAR limits it's guys are with tires, Good Year sells them tires at the track, but they are NOT allowed to take them home after the race, they must be turned in. So if you have no tires, you can't very well make laps.

Alan

#19 09-18-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Reinhart

Two things come to mind. First Snake is NOT a member of PRO so would he still be affected?

Second the way NASCAR limits it's guys are with tires, Good Year sells them tires at the track, but they are NOT allowed to take them home after the race, they must be turned in. So if you have no tires, you can't very well make laps.

Alan

Alan, if they want to test, they will test.

#20 09-18-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin League

Alan, if they want to test, they will test.

Pretty tough to do if all you have are tires that are only good for holding the car off the pavement. If you hang around after a NASCAR race, ALL of the team's tires are carefully stacked up at the pit wall, where they were stationed. The Goodboot truck comes along, and the tires are picked up, and are checked against a list the tire guy has with him. Where else are you going to get fuel slicks good enough besides Goodyear that will give meaningful results that will translate to raceday conditions? M&H? M/T? Hoosier?

#21 09-18-2006, 04:15 PM

Go to an IHRA race and buy them there.

Nascar builds tires for each individual track pretty much. They don't run the same tire at Bristol, Daytona,Indy, so on and so on..... Taking the tires at the end of the day is no big deal, becasue they won't be any good anyplace but that track (in most cases) anyways. NHRA is the exact opposite. IHRA you can still use the older style tire even.

#22 09-18-2006, 04:18 PM

Think about it you must have some type of safety crew available in order to test. That would be a major expensive for a team to employ an entire safety team and clean up crew and everything. Just my 2 cents. I really don't care how much they test or don't test it will be hard for the independent guys no matter what.

Andrea Novelli-Ellis
www.NationalMachineRepair.com

#23 09-18-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerrod Felix

Me thinks Sankes paper is getting low. Why limit testing?

The cost savings, as Snake highlighted, are very significant. Add to that, there are now two teams that operate a vast majority of the fuel teams providing them with a significant R&D advantage over everyone else. it makes for an extremely unlevel playing field IMHO. Schedule a couple dates well in advance and allowing all the teams to be there would be easier, less expensive and, as Andrea said, allow full safety crews to be present.

Why not limit testing?

#24 09-18-2006, 04:47 PM

Welcome Andrea!
I have no problem with unlimited testing since any team can get into a funk at times. Then NHRA implements a new tire again, and it's vitally important to keep pace.
Most importantly, I don't believe we need more rules imposed on a successful organization, in fact, can we go back to a week before Indy and impose a moratorium on rule changes?

#25 09-18-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Bullard

They already brought lesser funded teams back into play with the Playoff Chase and I guess this is the next step to parody.

Just how exactly did they bring the lesser funded teams back into play with the playoff chase?

The limited testing does at least foster that idea and I'm all for it. I agree with Snake on this one.

#26 09-18-2006, 05:19 PM

I've always enjoyed Snake (since late 60's) for what he has done for the sport, but I have never been a big Snake fan. However, as he gets older, and I get older, the stuff he says makes more sense all the time. He has two solid fuel teams, one in each nitro class, which can strike at any time. He is a large figure in the sport, and I think what he is saying about this makes sense. Some think it sounds self-centered on his part because maybe he cannot afford to do things like he could 2-3 years ago. But he seems like the type who puts the sport first. Any time you fire one of those nitro cars up and run it through the 1/4 mile it costs a lot. If you have a $4,000,000 budget, it doesn't hurt too much. If you have a $800,000 budget, ouch. What is the problem with leveling the field a little? Wouldn't 30 car fields be appealing?

Now, Pro Stock, that would be a different thing.

#27 09-18-2006, 07:10 PM

And, why don't we get Congress to allocate any one that wants to run a Fuel car 5 million a year, federally funded and staffed race track and take all auto racing out of the realm of private enterprise?

It's only FAIR!!!!!

#28 09-18-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Reinhart

Two things come to mind. First Snake is NOT a member of PRO so would he still be affected?

Second the way NASCAR limits it's guys are with tires, Good Year sells them tires at the track, but they are NOT allowed to take them home after the race, they must be turned in. So if you have no tires, you can't very well make laps.

Alan

I am not sure if it is still in effect with NASCAR but they used to limit the amount of testing at Cup tracks only. A driver can/could test as much as they wanted at a non Cup track. Kentucky got a lot of drivers testing as it was a non Cup track. I believe they also have goodyear sessions that do/did not count against there testing limits.

#29 09-18-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Stalcup

And, why don't we get Congress to allocate any one that wants to run a Fuel car 5 million a year, federally funded and staffed race track and take all auto racing out of the realm of private enterprise?

It's only FAIR!!!!!

Say what?

#30 09-18-2006, 08:41 PM

Some of you need to lay off the drugs.

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