What if this happens at Indy next year?

#31 09-10-2006, 08:20 PM

Tommy boy just wants Pomona to be more exciting in every class like it was last year in F/C. I suppose it will rain for two weeks next year at the finals to further dilute the excitement he's tried to create. It sure has the potential to diminish the value of other races throughout the year though.

#32 09-11-2006, 07:45 AM

anyone else notice the press that nascar gets isn't on who wins the races anymore. It's on who has the worst crash, who fights who and who is in 10th in the chase????

I saw an add this weekend for their race. it wasn't about who would in it was who would finish 10th????? I don't get that, I thought you raced to win?

I was one of those fringe fans that the new nascar points systems was supposed to lure in. Other than being inundated with commercials I don't watch squat about it now

#33 09-11-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Greene

Based soley on their performances this year alone ? I would say that if you started the points over now and Morgan Lucas or Whit Bazemore wound up winning the championship, that would be a joke.

And I am a die hard Whit Bazemore fan. But you can't possibly truthfully state he should have a chance at the championship this year ?

This is my point exactly before. You shouldnt be able to go from 8th place in points after the 17th race of the season and then be the world champ. And Alan, none of them are a joke. I was just saying that if someone who should have finished 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th in the pts chase winds up winning it, it aint right. There not a joke, there just playing the game but the points chase is a joke.

#34 09-11-2006, 10:17 AM

... If you won the Supernationals in Ontario, you were crowned World Champion? Which, I think, was an invite only race...

I might be wrong (that C.R.S. disease might be starting to creep in..

), but wasn't that another way the #1 got designated? So that if you were lucky enough to be in the Top 8/10 (or was it 16?), you got a shot to win the Big Tamale and wear the Big One because your SoCal tune-up was on point that day...

Man, I REALLY miss Winston.....

#35 09-11-2006, 10:57 AM

Before I ask the following questions let me first say I do not have a problem with the proposed new format. I am not sure it's in the best interest of the sport but I will wait and see. Either way I think it helps the smaller teams way more than the larger teams. Again I am willing to support the decision to go to the new format, work with it and wait and see the results. Here are my questions (probably unanswerable but food for thought). 1. Did the NHRA make this decision based largely on the direction NASCAR went with their program? 2. What would the NHRA do if after this season or next NASCAR made the decision that the whole thing was a mistake and went back the the previous format?

#36 09-11-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ancona

Before I ask the following questions let me first say I do not have a problem with the proposed new format. I am not sure it's in the best interest of the sport but I will wait and see. Either way I think it helps the smaller teams way more than the larger teams. Again I am willing to support the decision to go to the new format, work with it and wait and see the results. Here are my questions (probably unanswerable but food for thought). 1. Did the NHRA make this decision based largely on the direction NASCAR went with their program? 2. What would the NHRA do if after this season or next NASCAR made the decision that the whole thing was a mistake and went back the the previous format?

I'm in a wait in see mode concerning NHRA's version... I hope it's successful next year, but it will take more than a 2 or 3 period to tell. I like Nascar's "Chase", but again I hope they one day increase the points that a race winner receives.

I don't think there is any doubt that NHRA is doing this because Nascar did it first & because of their success with it (I know many 'Maters have commented on their dislike of it, but overall it's been hit for the oval guys). If Nascar hadn't thought of and had success with a "playoff type" format, NHRA wouldn't be doing this right now imo. And that's not to say that there's anything wrong with NHRA following Nascar's lead.

In some was (maybe just a very few) NHRA can & should immulate successful organizations. I wish we could immulate Nascar's marketing machine more than anything else, but at this point in time that might be wishful thinking. Nascar is Nascar and it will take A LOT of work for NHRA to get close to it's popularity. Nascar's bigger than F1, I hate to say that but that's the case.

I know, I know... apples & oranges, but if you must compare, then you have to find other motorsports to compare with. Two totally different types of racing, but they have more cross over fans than say NHRA & the NFL. Maybe NHRA & open wheel have more in common...

Most open wheel guys I know are atleast into NHRA a little bit... okay, maybe I'm reaching ---- not everyone has a passion for most forms of racing like I do I guess.

Ramble over.

#37 09-11-2006, 12:01 PM

Martin,
CRS? na...
Think the points system changes in the early 70's... I want to say around 74 or so... before, you got to race the World Finals by finishing in the top 3 or 4 in your division... and the person that won was the Champion... because with 7 divisons, we needed a play-off.... unlike today

Naz, don't you mean NASCAR is bigger than F1 in the USA?

#38 09-11-2006, 01:13 PM

I thought of something, if the Chase format is so successful in Nextel Cup, why doesn't NASCAR use it for the Busch and Craftsman Truck Series? It seems to me that if the Chase format was the resounding success that NASCAR wants all of us to believe (and that NHRA blindly followed) it would be a no brainer to institute the chase format for all levels of NASCAR. So there is something that either the teams, sponsors, TV or NASCAR themselves are not satisfied with, or it would be implemented across the board.

I waffle back and forth like a spineless politician as to whether or not I like the idea of the chase format coming to NHRA. I guess I am just going to have to wait and see if I like it next year, cuz I just can't make up my mind.

#39 09-11-2006, 01:20 PM

Fact: If you red light in Round 1, your car will not be seen the entire rest of the day on ESPN, no matter if you are in the playoff or not.

Fact: If you're Barry Grant, Mitch King, or Al Segrini and win every round well guess what? Yep, your car is going to be on the broadcast all day long.

There are fundamental TV coverage differences in NHRA and NASCAR. The director obviously can ignore folks in NASCAR.

#40 09-11-2006, 02:04 PM

The reason NASCAR created the Chase in the first place was to get some of their viewership back from the NFL (and college). Once the football season started, people began changing the channels.

................and like I said before, It will sure make for some high stakes at those last 2 races, right along with some high drama, and like it or not, EVERYONE of you will be tuned in for it, guaranteed!

#41 09-11-2006, 02:11 PM

[quote=Karl Stalcup;16907]Martin,
CRS? na...
Think the points system changes in the early 70's... I want to say around 74 or so... before, you got to race the World Finals by finishing in the top 3 or 4 in your division... and the person that won was the Champion... because with 7 divisons, we needed a play-off.... unlike today

Whew, that's what I thought, but I didn't know if the mind was slippin.... I do remember that the guys in NED 1 used to have to make the big hump to CA and run against the Div. 7 guys who had that Ontario tuneup nailed, but it was also cool that in the day all 7 divisions could field at least 3 Pro cars in each catagory

#42 09-11-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Peltier

................and like I said before, It will sure make for some high stakes at those last 2 races, right along with some high drama, and like it or not, EVERYONE of you will be tuned in for it, guaranteed!

Yeah, but for me, it'll be just to watch the races... Fooey on all this points stuff!!

#43 09-11-2006, 02:20 PM

Most everyone on the 'mater would have watched the last 2 races anyway. I normally attend both.

#44 09-11-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Reinhart

OK, The 5th through 8th in Top Fuel are
David Grubnic
Rod Fuller
Larry Dixon
Morgan Lucas

Which one of them is the joke?

Funny Car
Eric Medlin
Tommy Johnson jr.
Gary Scelzi
Whit Bazemore

Same Question? Where's the joke?

Alan

OK Ill bite........Not saying this person is a joke but just that the points system is a joke.

Morgan Lucas.......hasent had a car to speak of all season. manages to win a race befor the cut to 4 (his first win) the rest of the field has mechanical failure, tire smoke, red light you get the picture. He makes the finals on others misfortune then goes on to win the championship.

Good for him but how is that fair to the others that have one multiple times this season and had a consistant car all year.

Try explaining to your sponsor that you won 7 events and lost the championship cus you red lit during the "chase" and someone that won 1 race all season with a car that could barely get out its own way is the champ.

Its just wrong.

#45 09-11-2006, 04:00 PM

In 1999 Tony Schumacher won the Championship and exactly one race, Dallas.

Alan

What if this happens at Indy next year?

What if this happens at Indy next year?

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