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Old 09-15-2008, 07:35 AM
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Re: "they wouldn't have noticed if we didn't tell them'

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I bet Don is right that the "average" fan might not notice. Just like I think track owners thought the "average" fan cared more about ETs and MPHS ran by 70s match race funnies than they may have. Noise, smoke, and fire. You might be able to run them to the 1/8 without the "average" person in the stands noticing. (weird analogy but, I used to bartend and we'd often switch draft beer brands on people just to watch them not notice, LOL)
They may be shutting off at 1/4 of the distance but, not 1/4 of of the time spent running under power.

Likewise, I don't see why they'd make them do it at a track with that much shutdown.
Because................they are on the rev limiters for the last 300'.

Engine damage, of the "HOLY CRAP" variety ensues after that point.

I have been saying get rid of the limiters sine that day in June.

I also did not think they were a good idea before that, I was getting sick of going due to the fact that these events were turning into one big oilfest at the top end.

Carnage up there is wayyyyyyyyyyy down. So it's safer.

My standpoint is fix the tracks that cannot handle 330+ speeds, or eliminate them from the tour (or keep them at 1000'), remove the rev limiters, put all the nitro they can use back in, let 'em rip.

THAT is they way I would do this.

But it ain't gonna happen.

I'll go next year, and I'll enjoy myself, because that is what I will INTEND to do.

I'm not referring to you.

But I'm not a whiny crybaby pisspants that isn't getting my way and will hold my breath until I GET my way. I'm not a miserable guy by nature, I'm happy.

I never start any crybaby threads here, don't participate in gossip, and view things with openness and gratitude..., heck, maybe this place ain't for me

Anyway.

This sport is STILL the best there is, still exciting, and I'll still have the same enthusiasim that I ever had.

Because I CHOOSE to.

People will still go to the races, the stands won't empty, the sport, no matter most of what, will still go on, it has survived, at least, worse.

A few "hold my breath" hardcores won't have a effect, once the economy upswings, disposable income will once again get disposed of, and the sport will thrive.

Sorry, I could not come up with any "doom and gloom" (I try better next time.................)

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Old 09-15-2008, 07:52 AM
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Well if it saved one life they can run 660 ft. [ a long burnout the Shue said].
I enjoy a hell of a lot more eighth mile racing than 1/4.
It's all good to me.
Everyone might want to look at costs in parts too.
We are looking at eight car finals maybe as soon as next year without help of some kind.
Who will come for short 8 car fields????
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:32 PM
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a very arrogant comment i thought !!
i usually like prudhomme but he obviously takes me, as a spectator, for an idiot !!
Snake was speaking figuratively. When they came out with the 1000' racing, the first question in everyone's mind was "How will the spectators respond?" The proof is out there. The spectators are still enjoying Nitro Racing as much as they ever did, pretty obvious by the reaction yesterday when Ashley took out Wilk in the first round, pretty obvious by the sellout crowd all weekend. Very few spectators are hard core as the Maters. His very next statement was how he has saved so much $$$ on parts. When was the last time someone had a catostophic engine failure? There have been zero since going '1000.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:11 PM
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I loved the Snake as a racer, but feel that he has become arrogant. Either that or I have just become aware of it.

A couple of years ago a mate of mine scored hospitality tickets for 3 of us in the Miller tent at the Finals of their last year with Miller.

We were in the hospitality tent for 3 days, guests of Miller, and not once did Don or Larry acknowledge or speak to any of us even though they sat around and chatted with family and friends.

That did it for me as it appeared that they did not give a crap about the people in there that they didn't know.

The whole team had an air of arrogance about it, even the guy coordinating the hospitality.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:20 PM
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Re: "they wouldn't have noticed if we didn't tell them'

I think his statement was more a comment on the change in distance. The distance is not as noticeably different as we thought it would be. Still, I'm looking fwd to 1/4 at Pomona.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:25 PM
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Snake was speaking figuratively. When they came out with the 1000' racing, the first question in everyone's mind was "How will the spectators respond?" The proof is out there. The spectators are still enjoying Nitro Racing as much as they ever did, pretty obvious by the reaction yesterday when Ashley took out Wilk in the first round, pretty obvious by the sellout crowd all weekend. Very few spectators are hard core as the Maters. His very next statement was how he has saved so much $$$ on parts. When was the last time someone had a catostophic engine failure? There have been zero since going '1000.
We'll see next year . If it's still 1000' and the people still show, great for NHRA and anyone that cares.

As for guy referring to 'whiny babies' , I 'm not whining. I 'm making a choice as a consumer.

And expressing anger, seeing how I spent a large amount of money on a trip to Vegas before this change was made. So now I have no choice , the money is spent. Maybe I 'll be surprised and like it, but I doubt it.

I've always wanted to go to the 12 hours of Sebring anyway.

I 'm sure I 'll enjoy it. The Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta sure was fun a couple years back.
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I loved the Snake as a racer, but feel that he has become arrogant. Either that or I have just become aware of it.

A couple of years ago a mate of mine scored hospitality tickets for 3 of us in the Miller tent at the Finals of their last year with Miller.

We were in the hospitality tent for 3 days, guests of Miller, and not once did Don or Larry acknowledge or speak to any of us even though they sat around and chatted with family and friends.

That did it for me as it appeared that they did not give a crap about the people in there that they didn't know.

The whole team had an air of arrogance about it, even the guy coordinating the hospitality.
Maybe its YOU!!!........Ever think of that? You probably should have been able to sit n the car as well right.........LOL
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:20 PM
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Well, Don has been there and he's done that to the extent that I'd think he can share one honest opinon without being insulted like he has been here. It's obvious to me that "they" meant the majority of the spectators, not the nitpicking, self centered hardcore ones who think that everyone in the stands sees everything exactly as they do. Damn, I must be arrogant, too.

What happened to people getting credit for being outspoken? If he saw this thread, you might be able to forget about him ever doing that again. Now I sound like Jim Jannard. I don't see anything arrogant about what he said.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:20 AM
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Maybe its YOU!!!........Ever think of that? You probably should have been able to sit n the car as well right.........LOL
You are right, maybe it is me. My two buddies said exactly the same thing though.

In my opinion that is not how you treat guests of your sponsor.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:18 PM
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:26 PM
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Re: "they wouldn't have noticed if we didn't tell them'

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I loved the Snake as a racer, but feel that he has become arrogant. Either that or I have just become aware of it.

A couple of years ago a mate of mine scored hospitality tickets for 3 of us in the Miller tent at the Finals of their last year with Miller.

We were in the hospitality tent for 3 days, guests of Miller, and not once did Don or Larry acknowledge or speak to any of us even though they sat around and chatted with family and friends.

That did it for me as it appeared that they did not give a crap about the people in there that they didn't know.

The whole team had an air of arrogance about it, even the guy coordinating the hospitality.
LMFAO....... !! is what it is Paul, is what it is !
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:38 PM
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Well, Don has been there and he's done that to the extent that I'd think he can share one honest opinon without being insulted like he has been here. It's obvious to me that "they" meant the majority of the spectators, not the nitpicking, self centered hardcore ones who think that everyone in the stands sees everything exactly as they do. Damn, I must be arrogant, too.

What happened to people getting credit for being outspoken? If he saw this thread, you might be able to forget about him ever doing that again. Now I sound like Jim Jannard. I don't see anything arrogant about what he said.
Well said Ron.
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Old 09-16-2008, 10:15 PM
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Well, Don has been there and he's done that to the extent that I'd think he can share one honest opinon without being insulted like he has been here. It's obvious to me that "they" meant the majority of the spectators, not the nitpicking, self centered hardcore ones who think that everyone in the stands sees everything exactly as they do. Damn, I must be arrogant, too.

What happened to people getting credit for being outspoken? If he saw this thread, you might be able to forget about him ever doing that again. Now I sound like Jim Jannard. I don't see anything arrogant about what he said.


self-centered, nitpicking .....yeah.... objecting to shortening the strip by a football field length is ' nitpicking'

objecting to a legend of the sport saying we wouldn't notice if they didn't tell us is 'nitpicking'

whatever . I hope NHRA and it's sponsors enjoy the moron fans they seem to want. I never was one of those shirtless idiots standing at the ropes during a warmup anyway. But that's all this sport is going to have before long .
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Old 09-16-2008, 10:41 PM
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self-centered, nitpicking .....yeah.... objecting to shortening the strip by a football field length is ' nitpicking'

objecting to a legend of the sport saying we wouldn't notice if they didn't tell us is 'nitpicking'

whatever . I hope NHRA and it's sponsors enjoy the moron fans they seem to want. I never was one of those shirtless idiots standing at the ropes during a warmup anyway. But that's all this sport is going to have before long .
Read it again. I don't think Don was talking about you. I don't think you're the average fan in the stands. By self centered, I mean by assuming that most fans in the stands are as hardcore as you and I. I don't think they are. I think your opinion of it being a lesser show is as valid as Don's is of what I think is the average spectator.

BTW, talk to old timers about how match races used to be rigged so the "best two out of three" wouldn't be decided until the last run. Instead of no shirt, I think it IS entertainment for people with $20 T shirts and $15 baseball caps. From a marketing standpoint, your best customer might not exactly be the brightest light on the face of the earth.

Like I said about switching beers on people after the first (and I've never seen anyone be able to tell), I'll bet Don might be more right than you think. I bet a lot of even the hardcore fans wouldn't have been able to tell if they hadn't known and been mentally critiquing it going in.

You really know what a quarter of a mile looks like from the stands well enough to go to a track and say "Hey! That looks about 300' shorter to me!" without someone telling you first? (Reminds me of some states with their exit signs informing me that the ramp is 9/10 of a mile ahead. Just say a freaking mile, already! What bast*rd needs that kind of information?)

Don's been in the entertainment business for how long now?
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Why do you think they dont run alky dragster and funny cars at every race anymore?..Not just because of low car counts,but many dont know the difference between them and a Nitro car!!!
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