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05-06-2008, 09:53 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
Tom Compton was the one busted for driving drunk, not Graham Light.
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
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Having said that, my understanding is that DSR has filed an appeal, and they are now working out the panel that will hear it and the date it will be heard.
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"Working out the panel" -  Who is going to decide who sits on this Kangaroo Court? I'll nominate Evan Knoll, Max Mosely and Bernie Eccelstone - the fine will either go away or be increased to $100,000,000 - 
I'm sure this is covered in the Policy Manual - I can't seem to find my copy.
Shannon's Etch-A- Sketch graphic could apply here!
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05-06-2008, 10:11 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
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Tom Compton was the one busted for driving drunk, not Graham Light.
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How do you guys know this stuff?
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05-06-2008, 11:03 PM
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Cuz they read Nitromater sweetie. 
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05-07-2008, 11:59 AM
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Is the panel made up of fellow racers?
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The rule book spells out a very careful appeals procedure, with a method for defining the panel. Both sides have to approve the members.
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05-07-2008, 12:02 PM
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Any reason they would not have a permanent appeal's board, like all other racing organizations?
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Because the appeals are different, you might want a different panel to hear a technical violation appeal from the panel to hear a rules procedure violation appeal. And both parties get to approve the members of the panel, and person A may be seen as neutral to party X in this case but not by party Y in that case.
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05-07-2008, 12:15 PM
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So, you are basically "picking a jury"!
Thanks!
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05-07-2008, 12:18 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
The pick the panel part is interesting to know. I assumed it would be the same group of people but the idea of technical infractions as opposed to other ones brings up a good point in needing different people to serve on it.
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05-07-2008, 12:35 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
The appeals procedure takes up over 5 pages of the rule book... Complex and very detailed.
In the first appeal, there is a "standing review panel", but then at least three members of that are selected to hear individual appeals. That helps with the technical vs. other appeals issue.
There is required to be a decision by the review panel within 30 business days from the appeal (which is supposed to be filed within 10 business days of the infraction notice, followed by supporting documentation provided within 15 business days, etc., etc., etc.).
Then, if you don't like that decision, there is a Final Appeal process where the rules call out a very specific "appeal panel", one NHRA management person and two "members of the racing community, not NHRA employees". It goes on to state that they can't have been a competitor in the last year, can't have any financial or other stake in the outcome, and so on. It is THIS panel that the appealing party can object to (I misspoke above, the initial review panel is just set by NHRA from the standing panel). And here again, there is a formal process for objecting to members, within so many business days, etc., etc.
Anyway, you get the idea. The appeals process is extremely carefully spelled out. If you want to know more read the rulebook pages 30 - 36 (or if you're having trouble going to sleep  ).
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............Nope, that did it for me!!! 
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05-07-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............Nope, that did it for me!!! 
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Wake up little Suzie, wake up...
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05-07-2008, 01:41 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............Nope, that did it for me!!! 
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Me too. I will just stay updated with those you than do such a terrific job of translating!
Very interesting though, thank you.
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05-07-2008, 01:51 PM
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Re: NitroGate - one more time
The good news is - most casual fans have probably forgotten about it sense they have (intentionally) failed to mention it all over the telecast the past couple of weeks. [That is, with the exception of Green's witticism].
DLB
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Cause we're Diehards Baby!!! 
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05-07-2008, 02:58 PM
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Heck, that one even made my local newspaper when it happened.
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