
05-07-2008, 09:04 AM
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Re: what happened to line?
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Not too judgemental at all. They were cheating and found guilty in the court of public opinion. Once the alleged break-in happened they never were competitive. If they were innocent they would have been back to prior performance levels. I was amazed they didn't lose their sponsor. Cheating and Cocaine distribution doesn't make for great corporate public relations.
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You assume so much and then state it as fact.
This isn't like you, John. I'm disappointed.
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05-07-2008, 12:08 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
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$250 fine, what defines an oil down is a pretty gray area also. 
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That's for sure -- I think it means "any schputz on the track"  . Doesn't have to be oil, I think they levy it for any fluid, parts, anything...
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05-07-2008, 12:26 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
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You assume so much and then state it as fact.
This isn't like you, John. I'm disappointed.
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Dan,
I appreciate your comment and take it as a compliment.
I really don't believe I'm assuming anything. If I have any part of this wrong please correct me with proof.
DA's drug issues are well documented in court.
It's the NOS, cheating, and story telling that put mud in the faces of Mopar fans. We thought we had something...et records, top speeds, event wins and NHRA championships. It was all tainted and all make believe. Wayne County was nowhere near the field after the alleged break-in.
I'm just glad our current Mopar Pro Stockers compete honestly and ethically.
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05-07-2008, 12:43 PM
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John, is your guilty by the court of public opinion proof?
And of course, DA's problems were public knowledge. He's moved on a better man..now how about you moving on?
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05-07-2008, 01:00 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
I had once heard that some of the teams running NOS and getting away with it was one of the reasons Bob Glidden quit. Any truth to that?
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05-07-2008, 01:45 PM
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I agree that Alderman's legal problems were public knowledge. As for the rest, please be assured that common knowledge is not always based on facts. At one time, the court of public opinion believed that the earth was flat, that malaria was caused by toxins in the air, and that 64k was all the RAM any computer would ever need.
As facts came out later, all were proven untrue. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when all the facts will come to light in the situation you're so sure about.
And I did mean the comment as a compliment. I enjoy your postings here.
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Dan,
I appreciate your comment and take it as a compliment.
I really don't believe I'm assuming anything. If I have any part of this wrong please correct me with proof.
DA's drug issues are well documented in court.
It's the NOS, cheating, and story telling that put mud in the faces of Mopar fans. We thought we had something...et records, top speeds, event wins and NHRA championships. It was all tainted and all make believe. Wayne County was nowhere near the field after the alleged break-in.
I'm just glad our current Mopar Pro Stockers compete honestly and ethically.
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05-07-2008, 01:51 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
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If they were innocent they would have been back to prior performance levels. I was amazed they didn't lose their sponsor.
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So was I! I never could explain why Mopar poured so much more money into them afterwards and stuck with them so strongly that Darrell (one of the best drivers regardless of what he did on his spare time) & Scott were still paid even without competing. Maybe there was a reason Mopar stuck with them?? Think about it, if your headliner team REALLY WAS CHEATING, would you even give them the time of day? Or would you come up with some other 'reason' you cannot continue your involvement in P/S. We see teams lose sponsors at the drop of hat all the time for WAY less than the accusations that were flying around back then.
I realize perception is reality, but just something to think about.
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05-07-2008, 04:12 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
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John, is your guilty by the court of public opinion proof?
And of course, DA's problems were public knowledge. He's moved on a better man..now how about you moving on?
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David,
My post wasn't on DA's drug conviction, it was on his team cheating, getting caught and never being able to run the et's and mph they did before the alleged 'break-in'.
Are you actually suggesting they ran legal???
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05-07-2008, 04:22 PM
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I know it means about as much as a warm bucket of hampster vomit, but I am behind you in this one John.
And sure, people make themselves better every day. It is life. It is the miracle of humanity. Everyone on this board has done it and seen it first hand. But all the personal improvements will still never change history. Never change the ripple effects from the decisions. Truth is a knowledge of things as they really are or were. It will not change what happened.
Hey, I hope that my ex-wife may become a better person some day. But does that change the fact that little miss muffet had someone in papa bears bed while he was off at church? NOPE! Truth does not move.
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05-07-2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
There's never been any doubt in my mind that the Mopar team was cheating. I don't care how badly "thieves" smash up your blocks, any team worth a damn has tons of data, notes and years of experience and could get back on track in a relatively short time. These guys were so lost they couldn't even come close to making the field. I bet if WJ & KJ, or Anderson and Line, or a few others out there now had their stuff smashed up by "thieves" they'd be back on track in a matter of weeks. It's not that hard to replicate parts you've already built and been proven to work, the hard part is building them the first time.
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I know it means about as much as a warm bucket of hampster vomit, but I am behind you in this one John.
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Thanks. I can't believe I'm catching heat about their obvious use of NOS! Those guys were my heroes. I gave them every benefit of the doubt, even when the mechanical evidence and outpouring from competitors was obvious. I remember reading an interview with Bruce Allen where he said "if someone broke my et record holding motor with a hammer I'd build another one just like it". They never built another motor that performed the same way and were never competitive again. Go figure.
I'm shaking my head in disbelief...
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Re: what happened to line?
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Dan,
I appreciate your comment and take it as a compliment.
I really don't believe I'm assuming anything. If I have any part of this wrong please correct me with proof.
DA's drug issues are well documented in court.
It's the NOS, cheating, and story telling that put mud in the faces of Mopar fans. We thought we had something...et records, top speeds, event wins and NHRA championships. It was all tainted and all make believe. Wayne County was nowhere near the field after the alleged break-in.
I'm just glad our current Mopar Pro Stockers compete honestly and ethically.
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lol. thats the biggest scam ever! one of the big three manufacturer (back then they were, not anymore thanks to toyota) drag team could NOT build a motor after a break in with hammers? heeheee they were caught red handed . but the nhra isnt going to kick out one of its BIGGEST $$$ contingecy sponsors (mopar) due to some nitrous! lol. mopar guy will fight to their death denying this but we all really know what happened. shame for the competitors back then. i truly believe the guilt was very hard on wayne countys owners.
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05-07-2008, 05:49 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
Again, Does anyone have a Link to the video of Lines Blow up. Thanks
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05-07-2008, 07:05 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
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Again, Does anyone have a Link to the video of Lines Blow up. Thanks
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I just spent 15 minutes of my life making this video for you.
YouTube - Jason Line blows an engine
Make sure you click where it says "more info" 
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05-07-2008, 07:16 PM
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Re: what happened to line?
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Originally Posted by John Caran
Dan,
I appreciate your comment and take it as a compliment.
I really don't believe I'm assuming anything. If I have any part of this wrong please correct me with proof.
DA's drug issues are well documented in court.
It's the NOS, cheating, and story telling that put mud in the faces of Mopar fans. We thought we had something...et records, top speeds, event wins and NHRA championships. It was all tainted and all make believe. Wayne County was nowhere near the field after the alleged break-in.
I'm just glad our current Mopar Pro Stockers compete honestly and ethically.
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John, I don't know how you can be so darn sure no one is out there cheating today. Not with NOS, but other ways they have gone undetected. There are alot of people out there that could outsmart the NHRA tech dept. if given the chance. IF you knew a sponsor was going to leave if you didn't produce, one might take that chance.
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