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Old 08-25-2006, 03:28 AM
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this rule will have no effect at all, using force for an example he could fund a team and put it in ashley's name, he could have another in courtney's name, same with shumacher and kalitta's or worsham's this rule will have absolutely no effect at all, there are tons of ghost companies that all come back to the same ownership group or groups. thank god for multi car teams or we would have some short fields with the price of racing.
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Old 08-25-2006, 03:46 AM
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Seems like there'd be many loopholes, gray areas & different ways around this. Reminds me of how right now there's a limit on how many people from a team are allowed up on the starting line for thier car's run.
Could Don and son Tony not own four teams each as long as everything is seperate on paper?

NHRA has the right to do what it wants with it's ball. I do disagree with the business sense (or lack of) on this one. What if an owner with four teams could attract a fifth sponsor that otherwise won't be supporting drag racing? You now have affirmative action in NHRA.
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Old 08-25-2006, 04:20 AM
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this rule will have no effect at all, using force for an example he could fund a team and put it in ashley's name, he could have another in courtney's name, same with shumacher and kalitta's or worsham's this rule will have absolutely no effect at all, there are tons of ghost companies that all come back to the same ownership group or groups. thank god for multi car teams or we would have some short fields with the price of racing.
That's the way it's done in NASCAR - which has a similar rule. For instance, driver Mark Martin is registered as the owner of Matt Kenseth's #17 team. Next year, though, NASCAR is instituting a rule that will limit ownership to four teams. And to enforce the rule, NASCAR is demanding that owners submit their tax records. To get around the rule team owners might be inclined to hide their ownership assets from NASCAR, but it's less likely that they'll be willing to lie to the IRS. That being the case, I think that such a rule can be enforced if a sanctioning body is serious about it.
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Old 08-25-2006, 06:37 AM
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good rule. i think total cars should also be limited. team $humacher will have 4 in each catagory pretty soon then. even 4 is a lot when comparing it to a 1 car team though.
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:41 AM
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That's the way it's done in NASCAR - which has a similar rule. For instance, driver Mark Martin is registered as the owner of Matt Kenseth's #17 team. Next year, though, NASCAR is instituting a rule that will limit ownership to four teams. And to enforce the rule, NASCAR is demanding that owners submit their tax records. To get around the rule team owners might be inclined to hide their ownership assets from NASCAR, but it's less likely that they'll be willing to lie to the IRS. That being the case, I think that such a rule can be enforced if a sanctioning body is serious about it.
NASCAR went one step further with their 2007 rule for multiple team ownership. A car owner is limited to managing 4 teams.
They have always been limited on ownership numbers. The loophole is management. Hendricks had his dad owning a team, son owned a team....yada yada yada.
My opinion is NHRA should have limited it to three teams and eventually down to two. The second half of the rule should have addressed managing teams also.
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:58 AM
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Well maybe it will pacify the big team detractors but it don't mean beans.
Myself I believe anything to keep car counts up is a good thing. We are not overly blessed with cars anyway!
Just because a big team loses a car because of a rule doesn't mean a little guy will pick it up. It may just mean one less car!
Face it the big teams attract the big sponsors to the sport and that's the primary motivator for being able to field a fuel team. $$$$$
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Old 08-25-2006, 09:02 AM
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This new "Shoemacher" rule seems about as clear as mud.....
Not that I am defending DSR necessarily, but don't forget about NHRA's golden child John Force there. He's fielded a 3-car FC team for a "few" years now. (Not bashing Force either, so don't nobody get wadded panties in yer crack).

The original poster had it right, I think this is aimed at Force and DSR mainly.

Good news? Now we only have the threat of seeing 4 teams racing on Sunday.
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Old 08-25-2006, 09:24 AM
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The word in the new rule that really stands out to me is "financing". Is this a DSR-JFR rule, or is it really a Knoll rule?
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Old 08-25-2006, 10:03 AM
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The word in the new rule that really stands out to me is "financing". Is this a DSR-JFR rule, or is it really a Knoll rule?
I was thinking the same thing. With the battle over conflicting schedules and Evan sponsoring such a large number of teams, his ability to affect NHRA by boycotting all his teams (maybe) is what is being addressed here??
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Old 08-25-2006, 10:24 AM
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I say "it's about time" that NHRA addressed this. I like JFR and DSR and DPR and the Worsham's and Kallitta's, but owning 4 cars in the same category is ENOUGH! Probably one too many, but I can agree with this ruling. Not that my opinion is worth anything. Anybody know the definition of the word MONOPLY? There are only 16 cars in a field, and 4 is a huge chunk of that (1/4th) so if 5 or 6 or ??? were allowed, or no limits were imposed, then having 2 Team owners could be it. That being said, if it meant attracting more sponsors, and the fuel classes could be expanded to 32 cars, then that would be cool. Dream on...
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Old 08-25-2006, 10:39 AM
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I Understand Wanting To Limit Them And All That. I Really Do, But I Would Rather Have 20 Cars Show Up For An Event Owned By 4 Or 5 Owners Than Have 14 Cars Show Up Owned By 10 Or 12 Owners. The Little Guy Is Who Is Going To Get Hurt In This Deal. I Say If You Can Get The $$$ To Run 10 Teams, Then More Power To You.
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Old 08-25-2006, 10:40 AM
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I would have been more impressed if it allowed just 3 cars per team as it stands right now it doesn't change a thing Force gets to ad Ashley to his current 3 car team and leaves DSR with it's current field!
I guess NHRA wanted to address the problem but do absolutely nothing to REALLY change it!
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DSR/FORCE Rule

From what I read, it appears "ownership" will be a very broad term, basically keeping JFR and others from running more than 4 cars in one category regardless who is listed as the "owner". Of course this will be up to the NHRA to decide on a case by case basis.

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Old 08-25-2006, 12:54 PM
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If NHRA really looked at Real World Business Models, I think they'd understand they are going against the tide. Right now, in the small package & Freight Industry, you have UPS, DHL, and FedEx... and yes, I'm leaving out reigonal LTL's... UPS does Ocean, LTL (they bought Overnight Trans.) Small package, Customs Brokerage... ect. FedEx does it all but Ocean (at this time), DHL is just like UPS.

In the compressed air filtration industy, we now have two major players: Parker-Hainifin and Donaldson... if ya can't beat 'em, by 'em...

I can go on with each of our lines, but it is an Industry trend.

I DO NOT believe owning more than 4 teams is a bad thing for the sport, and I Do Not believe a sponsor will go to a one car team with anywhere near the money that they pay JFR or DSR.
JFR is a family operation, and if I had 3 kids who wanted to drive, a son in law, a loyal crew chief or two that had kids that wanted to drive, heck yes, I'd put them all in cars if I could find the sponsorship, along with a car for me.

CSK, DSR, Family P. if you can get the bucks, ya should be able to field as many cars as you can...

And that's the bottom line
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:49 PM
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If NHRA really looked at Real World Business Models, I think they'd understand they are going against the tide. Right now, in the small package & Freight Industry, you have UPS, DHL, and FedEx... and yes, I'm leaving out reigonal LTL's... UPS does Ocean, LTL (they bought Overnight Trans.) Small package, Customs Brokerage... ect. FedEx does it all but Ocean (at this time), DHL is just like UPS.

In the compressed air filtration industy, we now have two major players: Parker-Hainifin and Donaldson... if ya can't beat 'em, by 'em...

I can go on with each of our lines, but it is an Industry trend.

I DO NOT believe owning more than 4 teams is a bad thing for the sport, and I Do Not believe a sponsor will go to a one car team with anywhere near the money that they pay JFR or DSR.
JFR is a family operation, and if I had 3 kids who wanted to drive, a son in law, a loyal crew chief or two that had kids that wanted to drive, heck yes, I'd put them all in cars if I could find the sponsorship, along with a car for me.

CSK, DSR, Family P. if you can get the bucks, ya should be able to field as many cars as you can...

And that's the bottom line
I could definetly see your point but why not spread the wealth some of these independant teams could do well but because of the lack of sponsorship money they can't lean on it!
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