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04-20-2008, 02:20 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Paul Flies
Just one question then, why doesn't DSR use Pro Nitro as their fuel in national events?
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The NHRA stated that DSR did not use illegal fuel at the event. The only reason for the fine were the barrels upstairs. What exactly is your point?
I have to tell you that this is very dangerous territory. The more people that perpetuate the feeling that DSR has used illegal fuels at events, no matter how idiotic the allegations, the more likely it is that Oakley will consider pulling out of racing all together. I am personally talking the owners of Oakley off the ledge.
Your unintelligent posting contributes to this mis-conception.
The facts are clear, yet you don't quite get it. The barrels of Pro Nitro were sold to Wego, who is an authorized supplier of nitro for the NHRA. And these are the barrels that were only there for testing on Monday. The NHRA had given Don verbal (forgotten) approval for these barrels. If they had been used during race day there should NOT have been a problem.
It appears that the NHRA "forgot" they had given Don approval. Mute point. Wego is an approved supplier.
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04-20-2008, 02:30 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Jim Jannard
Who says they do? The NHRA stated that DSR did not use illegal fuel at the event. The only reason for the fine were the barrels upstairs. What exactly is your point?
I have to tell you that this is very dangerous territory. The more people that perpetuate the feeling that DSR has used illegal fuels at events, no matter how idiotic the allegations, the more likely it is that Oakley will consider pulling out of racing all together. Your unintelligent posting contributes to this mis-conception.
The facts are clear, yet you don't quite get it. The barrels of Pro Nitro were sold to Wego, who is an authorized supplier of nitro for the NHRA.
Jim
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You misinterpreted my question, if the fuel is legal, like you say it is, then there should be no reason for not using at national events, right?
And I see you would like to blame me if you pull out of racing, I guess somebody needs to be the fall guy so it might as well be me?
You'll probably get me banned, but, NHRA is still right.
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04-20-2008, 02:39 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Paul Flies
You misinterpreted my question, if the fuel is legal, like you say it is, then there should be no reason for not using at national events, right?
And I see you would like to blame me if you pull out of racing, I guess somebody needs to be the fall guy so it might as well be me?
You'll probably get me banned, but, NHRA is still right.
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Paul... clearly I think you are misinformed and don't realize the impact of your insinuations. I don't own Oakley anymore. I am trying to explain to the new owners why this is not a reason to worry.
Jim
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04-20-2008, 03:00 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Paul... clearly I think you are misinformed and don't realize the impact of your insinuations. I don't own Oakley anymore. I am trying to explain to the new owners why this is not a reason to worry.
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What insinuation did I make? What I have stated was I believe NHRA is correct, that's all.
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04-20-2008, 03:33 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Paul Flies
You misinterpreted my question, if the fuel is legal, like you say it is, then there should be no reason for not using at national events, right?
And I see you would like to blame me if you pull out of racing, I guess somebody needs to be the fall guy so it might as well be me?
You'll probably get me banned, but, NHRA is still right.
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Maybe you should go join, Light and Compton.... You'd fit right in!
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04-20-2008, 04:15 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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What part of this do you not understand?... the fuel that was upstairs was legal.
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Whoa, outta context. I was responding to someone who insinuated it was illegal in the pits, but OK to have it in the transporter. That's all. I was pointing out the rule says "on site". Period.
As my other post notes, there are a million questions here. I don't know who's right/wrong. The only thing I DO know is that it was incredibly poorly handled by NHRA.
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04-20-2008, 08:01 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Paul Flies
I don't know about that but I don't think the same fuel sat for a year.
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Woah! Now you're publicly questioning peoples' integrity? Do you have any REASONS for "thinking" that? That one and a "perfect" comment I saw earlier went right off the rails for me.
I bet the first three words of that sentence are the most correct.
There's someone else on this board who used to think they could start any sentence off with those words, then proceed to say anything about anyone they wanted to.
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04-20-2008, 08:48 AM
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Re: NHRA error...
Made in China --> Sold Pro Nitro ---> Sold to WEGO (Relabeled) --> Sold to NHRA Teams (DSR).
Simple to ME. Based on the above timeline DSR gets to buy its own nitro (Pro Nitro) back with a different label on it for more money just to keep within the rules. Sounds crazy to me.
Don as stated he has the Homeland Security licenses for all the nitro he would like to own.
SO,As i see it, it comes down to a label on the drums.
Am i missing something or is this gettin way out of hand
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04-20-2008, 04:53 PM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Wayne Hebert
Made in China --> Sold Pro Nitro ---> Sold to WEGO (Relabeled) --> Sold to NHRA Teams (DSR).
Simple to ME. Based on the above timeline DSR gets to buy its own nitro (Pro Nitro) back with a different label on it for more money just to keep within the rules. Sounds crazy to me.
Don as stated he has the Homeland Security licenses for all the nitro he would like to own.
SO,As i see it, it comes down to a label on the drums.
Am i missing something or is this gettin way out of hand
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Getting? no already GOTTEN out of hand. DSR has proved that the nitro in question was in fact legal. And as far as Pauls question of why didn't DSR use Pro Nitro in the races, they probably did, but who really knows where the nitro came from once it is relabeled, it could have come from my backyard for all the racers know,  and once it has the NHRA approved sticker on it, do they even care?
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04-20-2008, 07:25 PM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by Rob Condit
Getting? no already GOTTEN out of hand. DSR has proved that the nitro in question was in fact legal. And as far as Pauls question of why didn't DSR use Pro Nitro in the races, they probably did, but who really knows where the nitro came from once it is relabeled, it could have come from my backyard for all the racers know,  and once it has the NHRA approved sticker on it, do they even care?
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DSR has no more proved "that the nitro in question was in fact legal" than NHRA has proved that it was not. All anybody has is a bunch of statments mostly by people like me who don't know snot about the real situation and the few that do are giving only their side of the story.
The fact that DSR has made a statment does not mean that it answers all of NHRAs allegations nor does the mere fact that NHRA levied a fine mean that there was any wrong doing by DSR.
The only thing I can add is "Nothing is sometimes a good thing to do and always a good thing to say!" We would be wise to shut up before we make this worse and run sponsors off.
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04-20-2008, 08:09 PM
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Re: NHRA error...
If fuel sits out of your sight in storage, even though it's not supposed to go bad, maybe you don't want to trust putting it in the cars at a national event.
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04-20-2008, 10:37 PM
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Re: NHRA error...
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Originally Posted by John Waters
DSR has no more proved "that the nitro in question was in fact legal" than NHRA has proved that it was not. All anybody has is a bunch of statments mostly by people like me who don't know snot about the real situation and the few that do are giving only their side of the story.
The fact that DSR has made a statment does not mean that it answers all of NHRAs allegations nor does the mere fact that NHRA levied a fine mean that there was any wrong doing by DSR.
The only thing I can add is "Nothing is sometimes a good thing to do and always a good thing to say!" We would be wise to shut up before we make this worse and run sponsors off.
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I seriously doubt that DSR would make the following statement to NHRA and us unless it was the facts and he could back them up. See this post:
Nitrogate......The Don answers!
I seriously doubt that we can make it worse, we all know that Glendale can't hear us out here, but I hope the sponsors do!!! I would hope that the sponsors see that we racers and fans are standing behind those we and they believe in and would be thankful that we are, because you can bet I will keep on using products that sponsor the NHRA, IHRA and drag racing as a whole.
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04-21-2008, 06:09 PM
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Re: NHRA error...
It Looks Like A Statment From Wego Would Clear This Up. But That Mite Be To Simple.
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