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Old 04-19-2008, 08:53 PM
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Re: NHRA error...

I think everyone needs to wear this shirt... It says "Tom is not my friend"

Can someone post the picture from the link?

BustedTees*-*Tom*is*not*my*friend
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:54 PM
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I think everyone needs to wear this shirt... It says "Tom is not my friend"

Can someone post the picture from the link?

BustedTees*-*Tom*is*not*my*friend
You should set proceeds to go to Tom C. for * PAY DON S.FOR DAMAGES FUND*
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Old 04-19-2008, 10:33 PM
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I think everyone needs to wear this shirt... It says "Tom is not my friend"

Can someone post the picture from the link?

BustedTees*-*Tom*is*not*my*friend
And add "You Can't Fix Stupid" or "Affordable Nitro for Sale on Mondays" on the back.
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Old 04-19-2008, 10:52 PM
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It is Don's contention that the 4 barrels were approved by the NHRA as legal, and they were certainly never used at the race. They were upstairs in one of the trailers.
Mr. Jannard, having that nitro in the transporters during a national event violates the NHRA rules.
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:01 PM
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Mr. Jannard, having that nitro in the transporters during a national event violates the NHRA rules.
There is nothing in rule box that says you can't store fuel in your transporter.
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:13 PM
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There is nothing in rule box that says you can't store fuel in your transporter.
On page 64, the 2008 NHRA Rule Book says: "Only nitromethane from an NHRA-accepted supplier may be brought on site or used on site at any NHRA POWERade Drag Racing Series event..."
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:33 PM
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Re: NHRA error...

Chris,

The only thing I'd bring up would be the line that only fuel from "AN NHRA accepted supplier"

The "AN" tells me that there is more than one accepted supplier...right?

I guess the baseline issue is whether or not Pro Nitro is recognized as an accepted supplier.

If it said only fuel from "THE accpeted NHRA supplier," this would all be acedemic.

I'm not throwing punches here....just digging like everyone else.


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Old 04-19-2008, 11:58 PM
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Mr. Jannard, having that nitro in the transporters during a national event violates the NHRA rules.
According to DSR the fuel was from WEGO which is an approved supplier so it was legal. Also NHRA has admitted that DSR did not use the fuel at anytime during the meet. Finally DSR is legal and authorized to have that much Nitro in their possesion.

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Old 04-20-2008, 12:06 AM
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On page 64, the 2008 NHRA Rule Book says: "Only nitromethane from an NHRA-accepted supplier may be brought on site or used on site at any NHRA POWERade Drag Racing Series event..."
I wonder what the definition of "brought on site" and "on site" would be? If "site" is the track, wasn't the fuel already there? Wasn't the fuel "brought" to Don by the track if his pit is considered to be "on site"?
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Old 04-20-2008, 12:18 AM
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Chris,

The only thing I'd bring up would be the line that only fuel from "AN NHRA accepted supplier"

The "AN" tells me that there is more than one accepted supplier...right?
Not really. It means the supplier must belong to "the group of accepted suppliers". That group might be one, many, or even zero.
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Old 04-20-2008, 12:32 AM
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Re: NHRA error...

This whole thing begs a lot of questions:

- If the nitro had been brought to DSR on Monday there would be no issue, right? It wouldn't be "during an event" and was when the nitro was originally "on site" for a Vegas II test session last fall. Right?

- If someone ratted on DSR, did the NHRA check everyone for the same violation? Especially the rat?

- How does the fine get determined? $100k would put Gary Densham on the trailer for the rest of the year, no? Is it based on the resources of the team? That seems patently unfair.

- As someone just noted, it was already "on site", it just moved from one on site location to another. Is that a concern here?

- Was Pro an "approved supplier" last year (when the nitro was originally brought "on site"), but is not one this year? Is that some/all of the issue?

- How does NHRA "approve" suppliers? Who do they tell when they change the list of "approved suppliers"? Where's that list posted?

I'm neither a DSR apologist nor critic, but this thing is just really a mess.
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Old 04-20-2008, 12:33 AM
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It would be interesting to know how much nitro DSR teams were buying from authorized suppliers at the races compared to other fuel teams. If the rumors coming from the pro ranks ARE CORRECT it is about 25% of what other teams are buying per car per pass.
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:11 AM
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This whole thing begs a lot of questions:

- If the nitro had been brought to DSR on Monday there would be no issue, right? It wouldn't be "during an event" and was when the nitro was originally "on site" for a Vegas II test session last fall. Right?
That's the way I read it too.
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- If someone ratted on DSR, did the NHRA check everyone for the same violation? Especially the rat?
I'm starting to think that there was warning before but it was not paid attention to.
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- How does the fine get determined? $100k would put Gary Densham on the trailer for the rest of the year, no? Is it based on the resources of the team? That seems patently unfair.
The rulebook says that they could have been banned from the race which would have hurt points wise.
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- As someone just noted, it was already "on site", it just moved from one on site location to another. Is that a concern here?
For me, having the fuel in the transporter is what was bad, they could have made arraignments with the track.
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- Was Pro an "approved supplier" last year (when the nitro was originally brought "on site"), but is not one this year? Is that some/all of the issue?
I don't know about that but I don't think the same fuel sat for a year.
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- How does NHRA "approve" suppliers? Who do they tell when they change the list of "approved suppliers"? Where's that list posted?
I don't know the process but the pros know who is and is not approved.
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I'm neither a DSR apologist nor critic, but this thing is just really a mess.
I agree and I also think that there is a lot more to this than has been published.
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:49 AM
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On page 64, the 2008 NHRA Rule Book says: "Only nitromethane from an NHRA-accepted supplier may be brought on site or used on site at any NHRA POWERade Drag Racing Series event..."
What part of this do you not understand?... the fuel that was upstairs was legal.

"The nitromethane in the DSR pits was from an NHRA-accepted supplier; thus, DSR did not violate the NHRA regulation. Specifically, the nitro methane in question came from Wego. In fact, Wego purchased this nitromethane from Pro Nitro. You will recall that both you and Graham Light told Mr. Schumacher that Pro Nitro was also an NHRA-accepted supplier.

"NHRA amended its Rulebook on February 13, 2004. In doing so, NHRA stated as follows: "the accepted suppliers of NHRA nitro methane are DOW/Angus and Wego." After diligent research, DSR can find no subsequent amendment to the NHRA rulebook excluding Wego as an accepted supplier. Again, you personally indicated to Mr. Schumacher that Pro Nitro was also an accepted supplier of nitromethane to the NHRA."

Jim
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:13 AM
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Re: NHRA error...

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What part of this do you not understand?... the fuel that was upstairs was legal.
Just one question then, why doesn't DSR use Pro Nitro as their fuel in national events?
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