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02-13-2008, 01:47 PM
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
Wes, I don't think that NHRA guys adopting IHRA rules would result in those type of performances, even within 18 months. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's just a bunch of weekend warriors running 6.20s & 30s over in IHRA, I'd bet they are pretty advanced. JMO
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02-13-2008, 02:51 PM
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
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Wes, I don't think that NHRA guys adopting IHRA rules would result in those type of performances, even within 18 months. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's just a bunch of weekend warriors running 6.20s & 30s over in IHRA, I'd bet they are pretty advanced. JMO
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Nunzio I did not think that Wes comment was meant that the IHRA a bunch of weekend warriors they are far from that.
They need 5 speeds instead of lencos... 
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02-13-2008, 03:09 PM
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Could you imagine the NHRA guys/gals spending their time advancing the true mountain motor combination? 6.10's @ 230would be the norm within 18 months of the rule change.
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And then they'll be spending time and money trying to figure out how to slow them down.
The now-defunct ASA started allowing the use of 6 cylinders as a "low cost" alternative to the V8's and before you know it, race teams, being as competetive as they are, started dumping tons of money into the sixes because of a perceived advantage to them. It got to the point where the sixes were much more expensive to run than the V8s, and a lot of the smaller teams returned to the regional series where they could still afford to compete albeit without the national exposure. I've no doubt that the Pro Stock teams, at least the ones who could afford it, would take whatever they get and run with it, developing it to the nth degree.
As has been pointed out before, any major change whether EFI, mountain motor, smaller engines, etc is going to cost teams money. It will also render most data, engineering and otherwise, collected to date worthless. This would = more testing which would = more money.
I'm hoping any changes are well thought out and take into considertion future ramifications. Just dumping the change onto the class in the offseason would be counterproductive, IMHO. I think that it'd be wise to settle on the change, say EFI, then give them maybe two years to do the research and testing before allowing the new combination onto the national event tracks. It would also give NHRA a look at how the new combination would perform, and see if any restrictions would be required. It wouldn't be perfect, or cheap. But nothing will. As part of the deal, all engineering development would be shared amongst teams up until the final offseason before the new rules kick in.
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02-13-2008, 03:43 PM
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
How about just letting them use NO2 ??
O WAIT.....did they try that already? :-)
just had to throw that in 
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02-13-2008, 03:51 PM
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I'm all for bigger engines but I just don't see how it wouldn't cause the already sky-high price of racing in that class to go even higher. 
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02-13-2008, 04:27 PM
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RE: Carb/Gas Funny Cars...
I'm with GA on this, but I'd take it farther... No limit on C.I.D. and give them the Lencos back...
Nothing is Stock about Pro Stock... hasn't been in close to 36 years...
We have: Tube Frames, Non-production engines, altered wheelbases, Carbon fiber bodies, non-production induction... Funny Cars, think we went down this road in the mid to late 60's... which is why the Pro Stock class was formed, based on the A/MP class...
Time for another 'do-over'... A/FX, S/XS, FC, P/S... I see the IHRA made the Pro-mod crowd use classic bodies so people can tell the difference between P/S and P/M....
just my buck ninety five on the whole thing, just run what ya brung and hope you brung enuff...
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...and give them the Lencos back...
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I thought the teams changed because the Lenco's were too heavy, not because they were not allowed. 
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
im a fan of it, its time to change it up a bit 600 ci, low 6s, that would be awesome!
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02-13-2008, 04:48 PM
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I thought the teams changed because the Lenco's were too heavy, not because they were not allowed. 
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you're right Brent, lencos are allowed... You're not allowed to use an oem tranny, or an automatic...
my bad
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02-13-2008, 06:12 PM
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
Keep the engines the same size but let them have efi. You could also cut the minimun weight by a couple of hundred pounds, that would be as good as giving them more inches.
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02-13-2008, 07:06 PM
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
What are the thoughts on the e.t.'s of 1-16 widening drastically, & the field being less competitive if the cubes were bumped up 100 or more?
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02-13-2008, 07:07 PM
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Re: Nhra 600-inch Pro Stock?
Well guys if you want stock, such as stock block, EFI, small block motors, then you already have it. Called Competition Eliminator , and i think we all know how expensive that is. I think the best deal for Pro Stock is to let them run the mountain motors and that would bring more competition to the sport (NHRA AND IHRA) and it would be exciting to watch.
Also let see what the Force boys, Johnsons, etc. could do with a 800CID blown or turbo charged on gas in Funny car, that would be very cool.
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