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Old 11-25-2007, 07:13 PM
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NHRA's goal of controlling cost has stymied new technology. Otherwise you'd see things like computer controlled FI, TC, advanced clutch application, etc. in all the classes. In reality, aren't we where we were 20 years ago, except the parts manufacturing process is better?
I would say that NHRA keeps some of the rules in the dark ages to keep the costs down. Many of the rules revisions lately came as a result of some of the mega funded teams (guess who) having technology that was becoming very costly. Look @ it this way,the carbs have to be tuned by a human not a computer like F I and the clutches being what they are is pretty much like the carbs. I'm thinking NHRA figures with F I,it would be harder to police than the carbs. If the truth be told,the P/S racers themselves police the class better than the NHRA Tech Dept. If technology stymies the class,isn't it worth it to save the class? IE,30-40 car fields a few years ago are down to counts in the 20's. Just look @ the most recent news,Mopar cuts it's funding to the dark side and what got cut,the P/S program,nuff said. If new technology was left unchecked and the cars ran faster,what purpose would that serve? Who can tell the difference between a 6.60 run and a 6.30 run? IMHO,the costs need to be controlled or the class will destroy it's self.
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Old 11-25-2007, 08:37 PM
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NHRA's goal of controlling cost has stymied new technology. Otherwise you'd see things like computer controlled FI, TC, advanced clutch application, etc. in all the classes. In reality, aren't we where we were 20 years ago, except the parts manufacturing process is better?
RG I remember you agreeing with NHRA banning the Austin Ford motor because of the Huge bore centers. What's the difference between that decision and others to keep costs from spiraling out of control?

If Turbo V6's is what it would take to make Pro stock current and marketable, why didn't the Pro compact series take off?
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:44 AM
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What's the difference between that decision and others to keep costs from spiraling out of control?...why didn't the Pro compact series take off?
Joe:

As you can see in my post, I didn't say whether or not I agreed with the reason. I only commented on why technology hasn't advanced at the same pace as, say, a new PT Cruiser has. My opinion is that it has to do with controlling cost.

Here's my quote once again...

"NHRA's goal of controlling cost has stymied new technology. Otherwise you'd see things like computer controlled FI, TC, advanced clutch application, etc. in all the classes. In reality, aren't we where we were 20 years ago, except the parts manufacturing process is better?"

I couldn't tell you why the Pro compact series didn't take off. I never went to one. Who's to say in 10-20 years that won't be all you'll see.

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Old 11-26-2007, 07:46 AM
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I couldn't tell you why the Pro compact series didn't take off. I never went to one.
Doesn't look like anyone else did either.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:41 AM
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Is P/S technology archaic? Yes. Should current world technology be allowed in?
Formula 1 allowed "current" technology in. That let the cat out of the bag. At one race, the factory caused the leading car to have engine "problems" until the following cars caught up, then miraculously, the leading car's engine started to run cleanly.
It also brought in computer controlled clutches, traction control, etc.
Leave P/S where it is.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:06 AM
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That was then and this is now. I feel the class should remain the same. EFI is a avenue to have traction control and that will cause a problem. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday was great when you could buy a 450 HP Big Block Chevelle or a 396 Camaro at the Chevy dealer. Now you can buy a Malibu or a SUV with 3rd row seating.

Times have changed and if racing followed suit it would more boring to watch than Pro Golf. If you want EFI in Pro Stock and want things like they were I hope everyone votes for Pro Stock cars with 6cyl engines on EFI that run in the 8's without power adders. I believe they tried this in the sport compact series and it isn't very popular because no one is going fast except the 4 RWD drive cars with turbos that show up at each event. Pro Stock was modeled off of the muscle cars of yesteryear and all the door slammer fans should be thankful that the sanction bodies didn't let the class evolve to follow what Detroit does or they would not be very fast or fun to watch.

Let the body styles change and let the racers evolve the class with quicker ET's and bigger MPH. The reason people feel Pro Stock has lost its luster is because the sanction bodies told us that is has to run Nitro to be cool or exciting. What's changed in Nitro racing? Still a 526ci Hemi with a blower and Nitro in the tank right? What has changed in stock car racing since 1980? Nothing, still 355 ci small block with a carburetor and a current body on their evolving chassis designs. So why does Pro Stock have to change? The reason NASCAR and Nitro racing are more popular is because someone promoted the crap out of it and they left Pro Stock for dead.

I love Pro Stock and will for the rest of my days. How does the saying go? You can take the boy out of the Pro Stock car but you can't Pro Stock car out of the boy.

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Old 11-28-2007, 12:14 AM
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Tony,
It's always great to have you pop in and speak up from time to time. Thanks for your input and perspective. Don't be such a stranger. Thanks for chiming in.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:44 AM
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That was then and this is now. I feel the class should remain the same. EFI is a avenue to have traction control and that will cause a problem. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday was great when you could buy a 450 HP Big Block Chevelle or a 396 Camaro at the Chevy dealer. Now you can buy a Malibu or a SUV with 3rd row seating.

Times have changed and if racing followed suit it would more boring to watch than Pro Golf. If you want EFI in Pro Stock and want things like they were I hope everyone votes for Pro Stock cars with 6cyl engines on EFI that run in the 8's without power adders. I believe they tried this in the sport compact series and it isn't very popular because no one is going fast except the 4 RWD drive cars with turbos that show up at each event. Pro Stock was modeled off of the muscle cars of yesteryear and all the door slammer fans should be thankful that the sanction bodies didn't let the class evolve to follow what Detroit does or they would not be very fast or fun to watch.

Let the body styles change and let the racers evolve the class with quicker ET's and bigger MPH. The reason people feel Pro Stock has lost its luster is because the sanction bodies told us that is has to run Nitro to be cool or exciting. What's changed in Nitro racing? Still a 526ci Hemi with a blower and Nitro in the tank right? What has changed in stock car racing since 1980? Nothing, still 355 ci small block with a carburetor and a current body on their evolving chassis designs. So why does Pro Stock have to change? The reason NASCAR and Nitro racing are more popular is because someone promoted the crap out of it and they left Pro Stock for dead.

I love Pro Stock and will for the rest of my days. How does the saying go? You can take the boy out of the Pro Stock car but you can't Pro Stock car out of the boy.

Thanks,

Tony
Thank you Tony. You're spot on with this. And, if you don't mind me borrowing this with a slight modification, let me say...... You can take the girl out of Pro Stock but you can't take Pro Stock out of the girl.
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You can take the girl out of Pro Stock but you can't take Pro Stock out of the girl.
I thought Jeff Gordon started out racing karts & midgets....
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:41 PM
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I thought Jeff Gordon started out racing karts & midgets....
Sorry Doug,
Did my boy Jeff come out ahead of your favorite NASCAR driver yet another year?
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:01 AM
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Since when did GM Mopar Toyota or any one else start selling 6.50 gutted 200 mpg compact Breakage prone mega turbo injected cars that when you can't get 8 cars to show up and all but MAYBE 2 break and never make a REAL PASS. Tis the question ???

I am all for ANY cool fast car making a sub 6 second car. Especially a door slammer.. But I can't find a front wheel drive econo box worth it's weight in broken cv joints going fast without MEGA breakage.. If you guys ever figure out to fix this sign me up.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:24 AM
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I thought Jeff Gordon started out racing karts & midgets....
Sorry, you've lost me.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:06 PM
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Sorry Doug,
Did my boy Jeff come out ahead of your favorite NASCAR driver yet another year?

Maybe, maybe not......
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Sorry, you've lost me.

I guess NASCAR humor doesn't work on a drag racing board....nevermind!
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:30 PM
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Maybe, maybe not......
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