Congrat's to the 2008 POWERADE CHAMPS!

#31 11-06-2007, 08:18 AM

I didn't realize lotto winner was a bad term. Hell let me win the mega millions lottery and I'd love for people to call me a lotto winner. Lets be honest if it were not for the system tweaking then they would have had no chance at winning the title.

Yes both the Tony's and Jeg did win the championships under this system. Whoever wins the college football champiosnhip every year is also crowned the champ yet people complian about that every year too.

Websters states a champion is: a winner of first prize or first place in competition; also : one who shows marked superiority

So nhra recognizes their contrived contest winner, I believe it should be the people who show superiority.

You guys have been so quick to point out all year how I can't do anything and how my opinion doesn't matter now all of a sudden it does?

I also have a hard time with the hypocrisy shown. Drivers that were very vocal about the countdown because they thought that it would hurt them now our praising it because it helped them. I find that disgusting.

and Rex please, of all people to call anyone out on class it shouldn't be you

#32 11-06-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PJ Sapienza

I didn't realize lotto winner was a bad term. Hell let me win the mega millions lottery and I'd love for people to call me a lotto winner. Lets be honest if it were not for the system tweaking then they would have had no chance at winning the title.

Yes both the Tony's and Jeg did win the championships under this system. Whoever wins the college football champiosnhip every year is also crowned the champ yet people complian about that every year too.

Websters states a champion is: a winner of first prize or first place in competition; also : one who shows marked superiority

So nhra recognizes their contrived contest winner, I believe it should be the people who show superiority.

You guys have been so quick to point out all year how I can't do anything and how my opinion doesn't matter now all of a sudden it does?

I also have a hard time with the hypocrisy shown. Drivers that were very vocal about the countdown because they thought that it would hurt them now our praising it because it helped them. I find that disgusting.

and Rex please, of all people to call anyone out on class it shouldn't be you

PJ........there a many good people here

And then there are whiny crybabies like you.

Ya' wanna' throw insults?

Putz..........

REX

#33 11-06-2007, 09:05 AM

and yet complaining about the complainers makes you no better, but its ok because you're the one doing it right.

#34 11-06-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PJ Sapienza

I also have a hard time with the hypocrisy shown. Drivers that were very vocal about the countdown because they thought that it would hurt them now our praising it because it helped them. I find that disgusting.

I think if most of the teams got together they could get this changed. I think most of them are just being politically correct and they do have the power to change this,

#35 11-06-2007, 10:26 AM

your right I had hoped they followed Garlits recommendation and not even bother unloading the cars for a qualifying effort. That would get nhra's attention but they don't trust each other enought to make that move.

#36 11-06-2007, 01:34 PM

I don't like the coutdown under any situation but it would be much more tolerable if the playoff contenders oh I don't know actually raced each other during the playoffs.

I went through and looked at the champs from Indy on and who they raced over the entire stretch.

Do you know that Tony Pedregon did not beat any of the final 4 racers from Indy on and only 1 of the 8 countdown players?

Schumacher managed 2 wins against the top 4 guys the other round wins came against non playoff teams

Jeg had 2 wins against the top 4 and 2 more against the top 8.

people keep wanting to use other sports as a reason as to why we need the countdown. In those sports teams actually play against other teams in the playoffs.

If they want to make it more legit in the eyes of us evil diehards then for the final 8 rank them 1-8 based on points and thats how round 1 is set up. The other 8 spots can go to non countdown teams based on qualifying. THis way a playoff and non playoff team don't race each other until the final.

Once they drop to 4 then its the same way those four seeded 1-4 reace in other in round 1 then the 2 winners in round two. The remaining spots are open to non countdown cars.

While we could still easily end up with the champ still not being the best at least they would have actually raced and beaten the other playoff teams.

#37 11-06-2007, 02:05 PM

Although the countdown did create artificial excitement at the cutoff for the countdown to 8, 4 and 1 I still prefer the old points system. Drag racing was always an accumulation of the entire season and you where rewarded accordingly. In my opinion with just a 2 race shoot out not only did the competitors get screwed so did the fans...

#38 11-06-2007, 02:33 PM

I also didn't like how the races themselves didn't seem to matter as much. Especially once the countdown to 8 happened. Everything revolved around the ending rather then the journey to get there.

To race itself has always mattered more to me then who won the championship

#39 11-06-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Korreck

Don't single out PJ. Take a look at the petition. You call the lotto winners champions? The following is the definition of a champion in my dictionary.

Champion - One that is clearly superior.

Now who has been superior this year? Rod Fuller, Robert Hight, and Greg Anderson. I suppose you also consider Shumacher the Top Fuel champ last year when he should have been banned from the event.

It looks to me that some of us have a higher set of standards than others. And hell no, we won't accept the BS and we won't shut up.

First off Bob...You can tell me and everyone here and every other Message board all day long until your blue in the face how The (3) Lotto winners are not CHAMPIONS in your book. But, fact of the matter is, that YOUR BOOK, Nor MINE..really matters in the grand scheme of things. HISTORY will show that in 2007, Tony Schumacher, Tony Pedregon, Jeg Coughlin jr, and MATT SMITH were the 2007 Powerade World Champions. Nothing in the history books will say that:
1) It was a bogus championship because many fans of the NHRA did not Appreciate the COUNTDOWN To THE CHAMPIONSHIP, and Do not Recognize these men as the 2007 Champions.
2) The Championship was the POWERADE COUNTDOWN TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP, Not the NHRA TOTAL SEASON POINTS CHAMPION..(NOTHING WILL CHANGE THIS BTW!)
3) These (4) Men don't deserve the title NHRA POWERADE CHAMPION!

Secondly, YOUR OPINION about Tony Schumacher winning last years championship is Based off of some sort of "MYSTICAL NHRA RULE" that states that "ANY COMPEDITOR WHO DOES NOT SHUT OFF THEIR VEHICAL WHEN INSTRUCTED WILL BE DISQUALIFIED FROM COMPETITION FOR THE EVENT". If that rule exists in the NHRA RULE BOOK, and was not FOLLOWED TO THE "T" That's NHRA'S FAULT...NOT TONY SCHU'S! Should he have shut off the car when Told to...AS A LICENSED NHRA DRIVER I'D SAY I WOULD DO IT EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAY. Did he pay a very large FINE for not doing so...YES. But, once again, its your OPINION that he should not have won the championship...NOT FACT! Your opinion very much counts....TO YOU....and those who want to accept it, but it's not based on FACT! I respect your opinion as your opinion, but In this case...Your Wrong! Your Opinion will not change the books...award the trophy to anyone else, or change the number on any other car! All it will do, is let those, WHO WILL READ, that Robert Korreck believes that These Guys are Lotto Winners..not champions.

LET ME SUM IT UP IN A QUESTION TO YOU BOB:

If you were a driver of a A Pro Stock Car, and going into the last 2 races of the year you had a CHANCE of Winning the world championship, and you accumulated enough points to Win the Powerade World Championship, and all the STUFF that comes with it, When Tom Compton was giving you your trophy and check, would you DECLINE, and SAY..."I'M NOT THE REAL CHAMPION...I WAS JUST LUCKY, SO HERES YOUR MONEY...TROPHY....AND NUMBER 1...Because I don't deserve it???

#40 11-06-2007, 03:18 PM

Out of the top three pro champions Tony Pedregon is the only driver who had to secure funding, drive the car, pay the employees, obtain a CDL, etc, etc....He has the current record...can drop low e.t. @ anytime and everyone digs him in the pits...and stays out of the gossip....He earned the right to be called #1 as he poured more than sweat equity into his program...

#41 11-06-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Charlet

First off Bob...You can tell me and everyone here and every other Message board all day long until your blue in the face how The (3) Lotto winners are not CHAMPIONS in your book. But, fact of the matter is, that YOUR BOOK, Nor MINE..really matters in the grand scheme of things. HISTORY will show that in 2007, Tony Schumacher, Tony Pedregon, Jeg Coughlin jr, and MATT SMITH were the 2007 Powerade World Champions. Nothing in the history books will say that:
1) It was a bogus championship because many fans of the NHRA did not Appreciate the COUNTDOWN To THE CHAMPIONSHIP, and Do not Recognize these men as the 2007 Champions.
2) The Championship was the POWERADE COUNTDOWN TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP, Not the NHRA TOTAL SEASON POINTS CHAMPION..(NOTHING WILL CHANGE THIS BTW!)
3) These (4) Men don't deserve the title NHRA POWERADE CHAMPION!

Secondly, YOUR OPINION about Tony Schumacher winning last years championship is Based off of some sort of "MYSTICAL NHRA RULE" that states that "ANY COMPEDITOR WHO DOES NOT SHUT OFF THEIR VEHICAL WHEN INSTRUCTED WILL BE DISQUALIFIED FROM COMPETITION FOR THE EVENT". If that rule exists in the NHRA RULE BOOK, and was not FOLLOWED TO THE "T" That's NHRA'S FAULT...NOT TONY SCHU'S! Should he have shut off the car when Told to...AS A LICENSED NHRA DRIVER I'D SAY I WOULD DO IT EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAY. Did he pay a very large FINE for not doing so...YES. But, once again, its your OPINION that he should not have won the championship...NOT FACT! Your opinion very much counts....TO YOU....and those who want to accept it, but it's not based on FACT! I respect your opinion as your opinion, but In this case...Your Wrong! Your Opinion will not change the books...award the trophy to anyone else, or change the number on any other car! All it will do, is let those, WHO WILL READ, that Robert Korreck believes that These Guys are Lotto Winners..not champions.

LET ME SUM IT UP IN A QUESTION TO YOU BOB:

If you were a driver of a A Pro Stock Car, and going into the last 2 races of the year you had a CHANCE of Winning the world championship, and you accumulated enough points to Win the Powerade World Championship, and all the STUFF that comes with it, When Tom Compton was giving you your trophy and check, would you DECLINE, and SAY..."I'M NOT THE REAL CHAMPION...I WAS JUST LUCKY, SO HERES YOUR MONEY...TROPHY....AND NUMBER 1...Because I don't deserve it???

All very true, just like Barry Bonds is the home run champ but we all know what the public opinion is of him. Just like Mr Bush is our president but we know what public opinion is of him. No I'm not comparing the powerade champs to that just don't' discount public opinion as meaningless and meritless.

#42 11-06-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry Jones

Out of the top three pro champions Tony Pedregon is the only driver who had to secure funding, drive the car, pay the employees, obtain a CDL, etc, etc....He has the current record...can drop low e.t. @ anytime and everyone digs him in the pits...and stays out of the gossip....He earned the right to be called #1 as he poured more than sweat equity into his program...

By that Logic then WJ should win it every year, same with Jim Head.

#43 11-06-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent Busch

2008?! Did I miss a year? Anyway, congrats to the 2007 champions.

I just caught that...

Timmah<---Was drinking when he posted it!!!

Yes..CONGRATS TO THE 2007 CHAMPIONS!

#44 11-06-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ Sapienza

All very true, just like Barry Bonds is the home run champ but we all know what the public opinion is of him. Just like Mr Bush is our president but we know what public opinion is of him. No I'm not comparing the powerade champs to that just don't' discount public opinion as meaningless and meritless.

Agreed PJ...But, 1570+ Signatures on the Petition of over 80,000 NHRA members does not exactly Convince me that the "PUBLIC" thinks the COUNTDOWN is The worse thing to happen to NHRA Drag Racing since Dallas Gardner was president!

#45 11-06-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Charlet

Agreed PJ...But, 1570+ Signatures on the Petition of over 80,000 NHRA members does not exactly Convince me that the "PUBLIC" thinks the COUNTDOWN is The worse thing to happen to NHRA Drag Racing since Dallas Gardner was president!

OK but do you think that if we put a commercial about the petition on the tv broadcast that the numbers wouldn't skyrocket??? Blame me for lack of publicity, I tried but without being able to reach the masses the word wasn't able to be out