Updated Countdown vs Old Points

#16 10-29-2007, 11:02 AM

the chase reminds me of the old days of the champ being crowned at the world finals. I guess we have gone full circle.

#17 10-29-2007, 11:40 AM

I think a better tweak to it would be to reset the points with 8 races left to go, allowing 4 races for the Countdown to 4, and then another 4 races for the Countdown to 1. Having 4 races worked out well for the Countdown to 4, it allowed for one bad race.

#18 10-29-2007, 11:59 AM

I will say this, I was really pissed the Tony Ped was going to win but I didnt realize he was only 18 pts behind Ron the ole way so thats makes it atleast halfway ok. But I sure wanted one of the other 3 to win it.

I am happy for Fuller. He deserves it. I hope GA can pull it off in PS also. What are the PSB pts like right now? How far is Matt Smith back? I hope he can pull it off but I dont think it looks too good right now.

#19 10-29-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Moon

If I did my math right, here is the way things shake out. Sorry about the formatting.

TF Countdown
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1 Fuller 3135
2 Dixon 3083 -52
3 Bernstein 3074 -61
4 Schumacher 3068 -67

TF OLD
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1 Fuller 1585
2 Dixon 1426 -159
3 Bernstein 1376 -209
4 Schumacher 1354 -231
5 Todd 1165 -420
6 Troxel 1139 -446
7 Vandergriff 1120 -465
8 Herbert 1033 -552
9 Kalitta 1014 -571
10 Bazemore 989 -596

FC Countdown
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1 T Pedregon 3147
2 Scelzi 3056 -91
3 Hight 3048 -99
4 Capps 3034 -113

FC OLD
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1 Capps 1360
2 T Pedregon 1342 -18
3 Hight 1297 -63
4 Scelzi 1194 -166
5 Beckman 1162 -198
6 Ashley 1128 -232
7 J Force 1103 -257
8 Worsham 1018 -342
9 Head 956 -404
10 C Pedregon 914 -446

PS COUNTDOWN
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1 Anderson 3136
2 Coughlin 3102 -34
3 Connolly 3078 -58
4 A Johnson 3033 -103

PS OLD
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1 Anderson 1861
2 Connolly 1775 -86
3 Coughlin 1519 -342
4 A Johnson 1227 -634
5 Line 1175 -686
6 K Johnson 1123 -738
7 Stevens 1002 -859
9 Morgan 968 -893
8 Gaines 993 -868
10 W Johnson 927 -934

Under the old system, FC would be about the only class that anything would still be up for grabs.

Fuller would already have clinched TF.

T-Ped would be within one round of Capps, Hight within 3 or 4 depending on qualifying, with Scelzi eliminated.

Anderson would only have to qualify 7th or higher to win the title in PS.

Under the new system, in TF, Fuller has to go a couple of rounds to lock it up no matter how everyone else does, but none of the 4 TF teams are mathematically eliminated yet. They will have quite an uphill battle to catch Hotrod though. If Fuller can secure the title next week he will have made something in the neighborhood of 700k in 2 weeks.

Under the new system in FC, the only way T. Pedregon can lose is if he DNQ's, and Scelzi or Hight were to win the race. Only Capps is eliminated as of now no matter what T-Ped does, short of him not entering. edit: Capps can still win the Championship, but he Tony would have to DNQ, and Capps would have to win the event and set a national record.

Under the new system in PS, Anderson, Coughlin, and Connolly all still mathematically have a shot. But Jeg and DC would need GA to go out early to have a realistic chance. AJ would need Anderson to DNQ, and then win it to take home the title.

Matt would be 55 points ahead of Andrew if I did my math right!!! DAMN IT!

#20 10-29-2007, 12:25 PM

While I'm completely indifferent about the whole countdown/no countdown issue, I would like to point out that the stands in Vegas were more packed than I have ever seen them. Going to the event without a ticket is something I'll never do again (I had done it every year before and never had a problem getting a reserved seat at the gate). Sunday's reserved seating was sold out on Saturday and Saturday's reserved section had 7 tickets left when I got there at 9:00am. One can debate forever whether the countdown had an effect on this but for sure, you can't rule it entirely out.

#21 10-29-2007, 12:32 PM

I can't stand the Countdown myself. I'm not saying the old point system was without flaw. Sure under the old system a team on occasion would dominate and wrap up the championship before Ponoma. It's not as exciting as being crowned at the last race but they earned that luxery. I always thought the world championship is a reward of a season long efforts. IMO the chase takes that away. I don't comprehend how you take away points and also re-level the points. That minimizes your earlier accomplishments. I've heard Pedregon would only be 18 back of Capps in the old system but you have to consider the "test mode" some of the leading teams went into. The numbers are skewed. I have always looked forward to Pomona. Even if the some of the championships were already decided there were the remaining top ten to be settled. This year I don't care. I feel like I've been robbed of a potential great ending. Just my $.02

#22 10-29-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ Sapienza

thats the difference, under the old system the guy with the most points would go into the final race in the lead, now he has the most points but has no chance of winning the championship going into the last race.

it doesn't matter. capps won't win it under EITHER system

#23 10-29-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Lapeyrouse

it sure beats having the championship locked up in september and all the rest of the races mean squat.

Tell that to the ones that can't improve beyond ninth place.

#24 10-29-2007, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanda Smith

Matt would be 55 points ahead of Andrew if I did my math right!!! DAMN IT!

you did your math correctly:
Old New Old Points
1 3 Smith 1214
2 1 Hines 1159
3 - Sampey 973
4 2 Ellis 925
5 4 Llewellyn 847
6 - Treble 799
7 - Stoffer 776
8 - Krawiec 766

#25 10-29-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Lapeyrouse

it sure beats having the championship locked up in september and all the rest of the races mean squat.

Except now, as long as you can finish at least eighth, Pomona 1 thru Reading mean squat.

#26 10-29-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Lapeyrouse

it doesn't matter. capps won't win it under EITHER system

Ummm, if Capps just stays a round ahead of Brother Tony, yes he would win under the old system!

#27 10-30-2007, 02:43 PM

Now you have your chance at the championship locked up by September and the flawed two-race finish almost guarantees that the champion will be the driver earning the most points in the second Vegas race.

The racer leading the points going into Pomona almost always wins the championship - that's why Tony Schu's finish last year was so amazing. It's very tough to make up a two round or more deficit when there are only five rounds-worth of points in play at Pomona and one of those rounds merely requires qualifying for the final event.

In other words, the race for the championship has been reduced to a one-event crapshoot. Win Vegas and you should be able to cruise to the title.

The idea was to keep things close by eliminating the leader's points advantage twice, late in the season, but as Dave Connolly showed in the second phase, or Tony P showed in Vegas, even that level of manipulation does not necessarily ensure achieving that objective. In the case of Funny Car, the contrived championship is a lot less exciting than it would have been under the old system.

#28 10-30-2007, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance Lapeyrouse

i agree with that plan alan. but i would like indy to be the last race before they reset the points. kind of makes indy more important that way

I like that Indy is the first one - then Indy has less to do with the Countdown and more to do with the history if Indy (and drag racing in general).

#29 10-30-2007, 06:20 PM

Why does the countdown have anything to do with the importance of Indy, one way or the other? The U.S. Nationals are important enough to stand on their own, regardless of the season championship system.

As I have said several times, one of the things I do not like about this year's system is that NHRA's PR effort appears at times to be much more about the Countdown and much less about each of the events. The effect is to diminish the importance of the events, casting them as a convenient background for the Countdown rather than standalone items of significance. When I read the Sunday (Monday at Indy) event wrap up, I expect to find out who won the event. I can read the points table to see what effect the event had on the points - or I used to be able to. The Countdown seems to require a lot of explanation and emphasis.

#30 10-30-2007, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance Lapeyrouse

it doesn't matter. capps won't win it under EITHER system

I agree ... I like Ron Capps, but this is certainly not the first time he has spit the bit coming down the stretch.

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