Oh yeah, and they are certainly setting the world on fire

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Like I've said numerous times.

Don't watch or follow NHRA racing if it bothers you all so much.

I personally would not watch or post here(in the NHRA section.......I would be taking the high road and promoting and boosting the IHRA)..... nor pay any attention at all......life is too short to ***** about something incessantly.

It ain't a fart in a hurricane either way to me anyhow.

If it goes back to the old way..........BTW..........the "Old Way" was the divisionals meeting at the finals in Pomona and the winner took all there........

"If"............and thats a BIG IF...........the countdown is scrapped it will be because it will clearly be tied to the "Bottom Line"...........$$$$$$$

If it does well then get in yer' bess complainin' duds........and prepare to wail awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy for a lonnnnnnnng time

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for claiming you don't care much you sure spend as much time on here talking about it as those of us who hate it do.

As for IHRA my home track is IHRA I spend several days a year there. I also have 2 Ihra national events in my back yard then I try to take in.

and what does length of time attending races have to do with this... I must have missed the point. Oh and for the record first race was in 1975,,, granted I was 6 weeks old so I don't remember much until the Pop hot Rod meets in the early 80's and my first Indy in '82.


So by your logic I should not complain about anything, whatever the nhra says is gold and if I don't like it I should leave? So if they decide to drop classes, change rules, add races, take away races, change networks, chnage to 1/8 mile. Nobody is allowed to have a negative opinion?? Not sure if you live in a fairy tale world or if you just like drinking the Kool-Aid

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you know what PJ???

I do not care. I like the new system. If it goes.......ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

Who the F...K said you could not have a opinion...............??

Knock yerself out. You just might with a stroke.............

Ya' know what also???

I have not called anyone a single name over this......I have been called (by innuendo) and directly BY YOU just now........."living in a fairy tale world"...........and "drinking Kool-Aid"............WTF?????

Because I don't agree with you and the "Mob"????

ROTFLMAO

I have been referred to (indirectly and directly) as......."stupid"......."Foolish".........."Idioti c"..........all over this stuff.

And I have not responded in kind.

I like the format 'cause I like it.

And I will take the high road here and still act like a civil adult, you apparently cannot handle that...........

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Wow...I gotta admit that was funny to read.

I had a long thoughtout response typed but decided why. We've commented in the same manner back and forth. I didn't think that there was anything uncivil on my part or yours for that matter. I made a living in a fairy tale reference and you talk about people getting their underwear in wad or having strokes. I wouldn't think anyone could take either as uncivil or name calling in fact it seemed tame to me. We were trying to make a point, with humor even.

I've debated this issue with other people and haven't had any hard feelings. We agree to disagree.

Since I appear to hurt your feelings I will attempt to leave you alone. Good day

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Read these threads and tell me there has been no name calling

Did I say by you as far as the name calling as a whole?

I pointed to your specific post. the end of the final paragraph.

Reading comprehension is apparently not a strong suit of yours perhaps?

My feelings are not hurt by this, I am 52 years young and have had
greater issues than this come across my bow.

Where have I cried a river? Seriously.

Just offering my opinion.

Really PJ..........and I mean no offense by this, you and this whole deal are not the focus of my life. -.00001 on my personal richter scale.

I respond to this either when I am bored or feel like it. And it is my freedom within bounds of civility to do so once or twice or ten thousand times for that matter.......if i feel like it.

You are emotional about this..........I'm not. I will go toe to toe with you on this, others usually will not, you see, I don't care about what 80% think.

I'm a Man and live by my own standards, not popular opinion.

I could go on all day without breaking a sweat.

Again, I like this specific thing the NHRA is doing with the Pro Classes.

and I'm not alone, and if I were I'd still slightly prefer this way over the (mostly) old $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ wins every time boredom.

That is my opinion.

Prepare to respond often, if that is your wish.

I take no offense at all..........Good day to you too.

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Very few people attend an event because of the championship. If that were not the case, the stands would be packed on Sunday, not Saturday. many really don't care who wins on Sunday. If they did, they would be there on Sunday.

Most fans attend an event to see the cars run and they get more bang for the buck on Saturday or Friday - more cars making more runs.

OK...........then either method of determining the Championship should not positively or negatively affect the gate reciepts or any other revenue....

Like I said, either way in the long run is fine by me.

I just get a little bored personally with titles being won at Brainerd or Indy or Reading.

I just think the finals should be the place........JMO

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I checked on the DRO archives and they did a similar survey in July and more people are against the countdown now compared to a couple of months ago. In July it was 67% against and 27% for with 6% not caring either way. Now it's 68% against with 19% for and 13% not caring. I find this interesting because I think all along Glendora was hoping that all the championships would be decided late in eliminations at the World Finals and then immediately after the last pair of dragsters went down Parker Avenue a "how do you like the countdown now?" survey would magically appear before our eyes on NHRA.com. I do wonder if Winston was still the series sponsor if we would still be subjected to the chase, because NASCAR didn't implement the chase until after Winston was gone.

FWIW, I don't care where you stand on the Countdown. I just don't like seeing the phrase "fake champions" over and over again. Everybody knew the deal when the season started. Whoever has the most points at the end of the year under this system is the champion. Calling them "fake" doesn't hurt the NHRA but it does trivialize the crowning achievement for any professional racer. Be clear - I'm a big KB Racing fan. If Dave wins the title and Greg would've won under the old system (for example), I won't be happy. However, I will not disparage Dave's victory. If he's holding the trophy, then I think he earned it. Even if someone else feels that he didn't, it's no reason to rip into him. He has as much control over the sanctioning body as we do.

Bottom line for me - say whatever you want about the NHRA and their new format. Lay off the racers. My two cents...

...oh, and Go Greg!!!

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I think this is only true in their minds, I haven't seen an increase in coverage in my home town papers (Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post) the Stars and Stripes doesn't carry drag racing coverage, and outside of a major accident or death no coverage on CNN or BBC.

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I understand what you are saying. I have tried to avoid calling drivers out but if I look back I'm sure I have at some point. I agree they all knew the rules, doesn't mean they like it or agree with it though. If my boss walks in today and says hey new rules here, everybody must wear pink everyday, refer to him as el conquistador and dance the jig once every hour...well if I want to keep providing for my family I gotta do it. Racing is these people's jobs so they have to follow the rules, even if they stink.

Not sure I can get out of the habit of calling it a fake championships, to me unless the person who truly had the most points throughout the season (not welfare points) is the champ. As much as drivers I like have been helped by this points system I can not buy into a championship won under this system. I realize none of the drivers could give a rip if I think that they're title may not be real, but that is what I think about it.

I bet if you ask whomever wins these titles at the end of year if they would have preferred to win it under this system or the previous way, they will say the the prior version. I know its the competitor in me that can't stand this system of fa....ummm manipulated points system I bet other competitors feel the same way.

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you're right. Haven't seen it much anywhere. Even racing publications are not really covering it with anything extra. In the petition quest I contacted several media sources in the national event markets, response was minimal. Now just from a controversy standpoint I thought some would pick it up as most the media nowadays believes that controversy is what sells but nothing.
Seeing that tv coverage was bumped to late night over a spelling bee, it appears the ratings success isn't there either.

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I think some confusion by media writers over the new format has led to more questions than normal about the championship process, in turn misinterpreted as increased interest in the championships themselves. I have seen more coverage of the championship process and less coverage of the races themselves, but no increase in the overall coverage of the sport.

Take a deep breath, PJ.
I don't like the way the Countdown is designed either. We'll need to revisit it after this season. I'm certain that some of the PRO racers will have a word with the HD folks about how to do this in future.
I rmember when winning the Championship meant winning the World Finals - in Amarillo, Texas. Just one race decided the deal.
Auto racing has a huge advantage over other sports in respect of championships because, with a few exceptions, all of the top teams compete at each and all of the events. No Super Bowl winner can claim to have beaten every other team in the NFL - their season would go on forever . . . (as hockey's does - hockey in August?).
We have a truly national champion as we don't have regional playoffs leading to the big finale.
As I write, folks here in Colorado are all agog that the Rockies are going to be in the World Series. They are in this state becaues they are told that this is important. The Colorado newspapers and the electronic media are staffed with former athletes, failed athletes, or athlete wannabes who are unable to see baseball for what it is: a monopoly business, conducted in stadiums paid for by taxpayers in which 9 pot-bellied millionaires stand around in a field expectorating tobacco juice for an indeterminate and, often, interminable period.
They keep statistics in this game because, next to the game itself, the statistics are interesting.
Just the same, people are agog.
So, keep your blood pressure in the normal range, sharpen your sword for the next fight, and remember: people are dumber than anybody!
Cheers,
Ed
"There are lies, damned lies, and statisitics." B. Disraeli