John AND Ashley out for the remainder of 2007... Plueger the new JFR chassis...

#16 10-11-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackee Allen

No offense to you OR John, but there is no comparison.

JMO

Be that as it may, I know they will do what is best for all.

Get well John. Hang in the Ashley.

You are right Jackee.......Extreme hedonisim, alcohol and drug abuse that led to a tragic demise............no, there is no comparison......JMO

REX

#17 10-11-2007, 08:44 AM

You know what is missing from this and all the other posts on who has what chassis and why????

How about FACTS....

I don't give a rats ass who is making what. What I do care about is what are the real facts about all this chassis breakage. Why is it such a big secret???

I don't even care who has the faulty parts. What I do care about is finding the root cause or causes and correcting them. During my 40+ years of drag racing I have seen a lot of good people get hurt and/or died and I am tired of it. So cut out all the finger point crap and instead work honestly toward a logical repair of the problem. This repair might show up as a material change, or a rules change or a combination of both. But so What??? If it saves lives and accidents in the future it is worth it.

Sorry for the rant but enough is enough, spend all this energy working toward a solution instead to trying to find blame.....

Just on man's opinon.

jim

#18 10-11-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Miller

...Let me just say that everybody is going to speculate on what's happening and repeat things that have been said or written (whatever), but let me assure you that in the 8+ hours a day I put in at work...and the guys I work with...We build the safest chassis in drag racing...just wondering though, we build chassis for almost everybody in FC ( I said Almost) And has anybody seen what compassion looks like, my boss has it and if you haven't seen it well you don't know what you're missing.

I swore I wouldn't be back but this bickering and finger pointing from some who have no dog in the fight or stake of any kind except emotion stopped that deal.

Anthony, having been to the shop and having Murf's stuff save our driver(s) in more than a few horendous wrecks, if we ever came back with a F/C it would be in a Murf car. And you are right about caring what happens. Just go back to how his cars held together in some of the uglier wrecks previously, say like F/C Gainsville 97. Compassion? Yeah that some good reasoning skills and just a pretty damn good person too.

Not to take away. All the others are very good too. I have worked on Hadman, Victory, Plueger and Grant's cars. All are art. All are different in small ways and little tricks. Cool stuff. So are the builders as far as support and caring. They are all good!

But take the personal emotion out of it and assess the complete situation before running for the rope and stones to hang and pummel one person for this.

How did we get here? Take the situation as a whole and break it down from there. I am sure with a good FMEA and FEA you could point fingers at more then one man, component, group, company, sanctioning body, team...timeframe... We have evolved this stuff to the breaking point because that is what every racer does. You work it until it breaks or the rule changes and then you do it again then just back off a little.

Someone with more than a shade of wisdom the other day posted the very same treatment was pushed towards Bill Simpson over the Earnhart deal. Boy howdy. See Murf and all others in this business make thier food money supplying us all with parts in a very finite market. They don't just put junk out and don't care what happens to the customer and move on. Think about that when looking for your equipment Same deal happened years ago to a brilliant man by the name of Jim Deist. Bill (change your last name to Impact please) and Jim Deist and that Taylor kids stuff will always be looked at before others in our book first.

Lest the mob mentality forget some of other things from days and years past that happened while pushing and stretching the envelope to burst point.

Think about it we put man/woman in 2,350 +/- lbs of ground based untethered finicky little tubed rocket quasi explosives device then stand behind it and count backwards from 4.4-4.9 and hope it doesn't go boom. Maybe it is time we use just a little longer fuse til we get there.

John get well soon. Murf et. al. keep the head up. Teams and builders keep looking and testing. Caring folks keep up the support. For the few SurferJoe's turn the wick down two clicks.

#19 10-11-2007, 11:31 AM

So am I reading this right? Murf is the bad guy? I am just wondering here and I think I will reserve the right to wait and pass judgement once the facts are proven.

I stand behind Murf plain and simple....

-KB

#20 10-11-2007, 12:28 PM

I guess I don't understand a lot about what is going on here. It seems to me that a lot of people like the Plueger chassis and think they are superior but it sounds like they are not available. It appears that Murf is making as many as they can and they are making changes as quickly as they can for teams. It also sounds like there are several other chassis people and or teams that are trying to make changes also. Everything I hear is that everyone is trying to make the drivers safer. I am sure this is not a white and black issue so there are many ways to get the same result. I have always thought that since there can be many different ways to get the same result (a win light) that this will always keep our sport strong and growing. There are a LOT of extremely smart people involved in every level of motorsports. Seems like rumors and backstabbing are counterproductive and will only hurt us all.

#21 10-11-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jed Delaune

I guess I don't understand a lot about what is going on here. It seems to me that a lot of people like the Plueger chassis and think they are superior but it sounds like they are not available. It appears that Murf is making as many as they can and they are making changes as quickly as they can for teams. It also sounds like there are several other chassis people and or teams that are trying to make changes also. Everything I hear is that everyone is trying to make the drivers safer. I am sure this is not a white and black issue so there are many ways to get the same result. I have always thought that since there can be many different ways to get the same result (a win light) that this will always keep our sport strong and growing. There are a LOT of extremely smart people involved in every level of motorsports. Seems like rumors and backstabbing are counterproductive and will only hurt us all.

I don't think Murph is a bad guy..I have only talked with him a couple of times over the years, and in fact, think that he is a super nice guy...

The only thing that I am thinking, and this is just my opinion, is that with this heat treating issue being the problem, and the heat treating, to the best of my understanding, only being required on the back half of the Top Fuel cars and NOT on the funny cars, is why it is on them at all? If it is causing these issues, or at least a strong part of the reason, then build the funny cars without the heat treating, right? Maybe the NHRA should follow suit with the Top Fuel cars, as well..

Maybe someone can tell me if this makes sense, as I am not a mechanical guy by any stretch...

#22 10-11-2007, 01:54 PM

Is Murphs Funny Cars The Only Ones With Heat Treated Tubing?

#23 10-11-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Rathman

I don't think Murph is a bad guy..I have only talked with him a couple of times over the years, and in fact, think that he is a super nice guy...

The only thing that I am thinking, and this is just my opinion, is that with this heat treating issue being the problem, and the heat treating, to the best of my understanding, only being required on the back half of the Top Fuel cars and NOT on the funny cars, is why it is on them at all? If it is causing these issues, or at least a strong part of the reason, then build the funny cars without the heat treating, right? Maybe the NHRA should follow suit with the Top Fuel cars, as well..

Maybe someone can tell me if this makes sense, as I am not a mechanical guy by any stretch...

I have read through all the posts in all the topics related to this here and on other message boards and no one has said Murf is a bad guy. Murf, I'm sure, has nothing but good intentions and is a good guy.

This has nothing to do with being nice, or mean, or a jerk, or the most generous person on planet earth. Heck, I bought all the stuff I could from Murf when I mounted my new Monte Carlo body this year. He makes great stuff and we are lucky to have a company like Murf's to buy all this stuff from.

What I do see are people expressing concerns and wanting answers and making suggestions. They have concerns for themselves or their friends and family members who drive. I see people compassionate about the sport who are alarmed by the recent events. I see people sharing their experience and knowledge but given no credibility. I see people who are fans asking why their favorite hero was almost killed a few months after his number one next generation driver was killed. I see people asking legitimate questions like why the very first weekend with the updates on our favorite hero's son-in-laws car does the frame break and the car gets parked. Then the story is out about the P&P car getting a body put on it for Robert to drive.

There are very qualified people sharing data, spending money of their own doing tests, and offering suggestions. Some of these people have been around a long time and have a lot of experience with significant education and degrees. And none of them has ever said Murf is a bad guy.

RG

#24 10-11-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Goodwin

I have read through all the posts in all the topics related to this here and on other message boards and no one has said Murf is a bad guy. Murf, I'm sure, has nothing but good intentions and is a good guy.

This has nothing to do with being nice, or mean, or a jerk, or the most generous person on planet earth. Heck, I bought all the stuff I could from Murf when I mounted my new Monte Carlo body this year. He makes great stuff and we are lucky to have a company like Murf's to buy all this stuff from.

What I do see are people expressing concerns and wanting answers and making suggestions. They have concerns for themselves or their friends and family members who drive. I see people compassionate about the sport who are alarmed by the recent events. I see people sharing their experience and knowledge but given no credibility. I see people who are fans asking why their favorite hero was almost killed a few months after his number one next generation driver was killed. I see people asking legitimate questions like why the very first weekend with the updates on our favorite hero's son-in-laws car does the frame break and the car gets parked. Then the story is out about the P&P car getting a body put on it for Robert to drive.

There are very qualified people sharing data, spending money of their own doing tests, and offering suggestions. Some of these people have been around a long time and have a lot of experience with significant education and degrees. And none of them has ever said Murf is a bad guy.

RG

Very, VERY well said, Randy....I completely agree with you...

#25 10-11-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Rathman

Very, VERY well said, Randy....I completely agree with you...

I second that...

CJ Curtsinger

#26 10-11-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Goodwin

I see people asking legitimate questions like why the very first weekend with the updates on our favorite hero's son-in-laws car does the frame break and the car gets parked. Then the story is out about the P&P car getting a body put on it for Robert to drive.

RG

Has it been confirmed that they have parked Robert's Murf car for the P&P car??

#27 10-11-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Goodwin

And none of them has ever said Murf is a bad guy.

RG

Well Mr. Goodwin, I stand corrected! I just thought some were pointing fingers at Murf was all, no harm no foul....Are we still friends?

jOkA!

#28 10-11-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Young

And now, here's the question. Why has NHRA not taken charge of this?

Is it NHRA's problem or HD Partners now ?

Mark.

#29 10-11-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Brown

Well Mr. Goodwin, I stand corrected! I just thought some were pointing fingers at Murf was all, no harm no foul....Are we still friends?

jOkA!

Never had a doubt.

#30 10-25-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CJ Curtsinger

Heard this from what I think is a very reliable source...

John Force Racing has parked both John & Ashleys cars for the remainder of the season, and furthermore, John has privately stated that he will "never run another Murph car (Murph McKinney) again...

Robert Hight will be the only car in the show for the final two races, and he will be running an Ex-JFR Plueger, that was re-purchased from Todd Paton...It has 0 runs on it..

This car will serve two purposes..The first, of course, for Robert to finish the season with, and secondly, to be used in conjunction with Steve Plueger's chassis jig for JFR to start building their own chassis for the 2008 season and beyond...

Before John's accident in Dallas, he was in the process of buying the chassis jig and related equipment from Steve Plueger, and of course, will complete the purchase within the next week or two...

CJ Curtsinger

Hmmmm...isn't this interesting....? CJ...I think you may have got some good information....

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