Throughout the year all the fuel cars chassis needs repairs done, but all the reporters like reporting about JFR's problems this year since they lost Eric. The more ink for the reporter(s) (especially if one can get the inside scoop) they (the reporter) will become a bigger name.

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Just heard that Hight's car broke in the Rear of the car, Not in front of the driver's cage I assumed. This is awfully strange.....

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This makes me so sick I want to cry. We lost Eric, could have lost John, and now this. Slow these cars down before we lose or cripple somebody else. I always chuckled at people that talked about slowing the cars in the past, but now I guess I'm one of them. We've got two events left and I think something can be done easily as a temporary fix. Take one Mag off, make them run smaller tires,(can't put as much power on the ground with a smaller footprint), run a smaller pump; something. This is a very serious problem and it is nothing to take lighty.

Dave

This has been up all day and should be thread material itself-
Not something just lumped in here-

pretty profound statements-


Torco Racing Fuel's Competition Plus.com - Drag Racing's Internet Magazine - TONY PEDREGON - "SLOW THEM DOWN"
Read it again if you dont get it-

I'm out-
who's next!!

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I can't believe nobody's curious why this stuff's only happening to the Force cars? Not one of the other Top ten cars have experienced any Chassis failure to speak of this year.

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Joe, go back and read post number 10 from Randy Goodwin. He answered your question the first time you asked it in this thread.

I don't know which teams have had problems but he must know something we don't.

This Chassis problem has nothing to do with the speed of the cars. Get over the slowing them done BS! You could have this problem at friggin 200MPH When was the last time you saw a TF or FC (bar John's freak accident) crash? Be realisitc Dave, the changes you suggest can't be made over night! And I for one would lose interest very quickly if the times dropped back to 4.9s at 290/300

Glad Robert is safe and sound.

He's ok thankfully. Do I hear Plueger?

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The thought process here is really puzzling to me. There are all these calls to slow the cars when in fact the issues have been at all speed from slow to fast. It would lead one to logically think that speed was not the issue.

Now here is something to think about. You have a heat treated pipe that is not as "flexable" welded to a non-heat treated pipe that is more "flexable". Introduce harmonics and vibration and which part is going to fail and which part has the ability to absorb this vibration and harmonics by being able to flex with the vibration and harmonics?

Or consider you have a chassis that does flex by the nature of the non-heat treated tubing all around a stiff heat treated pipe. Where do you think the center of force is going to be located? What section is going to move and give with the vibration and harmonics and which section is going to try and fight it?

BTW: By flex I don't mean like a wet noodle, just your normal torsional twist associated with all chassis.

Just one man's opinon.

jim

ps: Just wanted to add that I am glad Robert is ok.

The failure was in the X brace under the seat not the main rails. The Force team has had this problem before and in this case the suspicion is that the fact that this car did not have the compliant bushes in the new cockpit X may have been a factor.
I am getting really pissed off with some people (on this board and others) that are jumping to erroneous conclusions based on rumour and personal opinions without actually talking to the people directly involved in this issue. Is seems that lots of people can't see the wood for the trees.
Over at DRO Mr Davis categorically states that the hardened tubing has an unacceptable elongation factor and that it needs to be at least 10%. Post accident testing on John Force's car revealed that the tubing used had a 12%elongation number. He also states that the Ford FEA analysis is the best and that is what should be used. His piece was written on the first of the month before the fix was developed but people are still referencing his statements as the gospel truth and using them as a basis of their irrational arguements.
The Ford engineers have been deeply involved in the whole chassis analysis since Eric's tragic death so that kind of puts a damper on that line of reasoning.
John Medlen has been the prime mover behind all of the research done on funny car frames since Eric's tragic death and if he is good with what the McKinney and Ford engineers have come up with I think that everyone out there should forget their prejudices and go with his outlook because he paid a higher price than anyone else.

Roo

'Nuff said, Rooman!!!

Late..................Mitch

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Well put!!

Thanks Keith

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Quickest to 1320' 4.63

I still can't believe others have had problems and we haven't heard about it. This whole deal has me thinking what is JFR doing to their cars that others aren't? But once again, some are in panic mode over this. One team's having issues with chassis so now we have to re-invent the sport.

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Seriously, you think you , I or anyone else can tell the difference between a 4.90 run and a 4.80 run? How from anywhere on the grounds can you see the difference between a 299 and a 320 run? Lets face it, our senses can't process information that fast. The only way that you can tell the difference is if a car is going 320 and the one in the next lane is going 290. Put them all at the same speed and the racing will be just as exciting.

One pump, one mag, no limiter and 100% sure seems like it would be a lot of fun and a whole lot safer.