F/C chassis integrity

#**121** 10-02-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent Busch

I think that's exaggerating it by quite a bit. An empty dump truck probably weighs over 14,000 lbs, twice the downforce on the rear wing.

14,000 lbs? Keep going.

The dump truck I drove was a tri axle Kenworth, it weighed just over 27,000 lbs empty!! (with me in it)

#**122** 10-02-2007, 03:14 PM

yeah, I did....

did you hear if the bottom end let go before or after the motor free-wheeled

#**123** 10-02-2007, 03:26 PM

Karl,

Regardless of how the engine came apart there isn't any discussion of those parts and their reliability...
I just get tired of hearing about how GOODYEAR needs to make a better tire when the other manufacturers of hi-po parts are not doing their part...
People like BAE, TFX, etc love blown nitro/methanol owners and their money cause if everyone only had to purchase the parts once they'd be out of business...You never hear of them on the complaining side of the biz...IMO

#**124** 10-02-2007, 04:05 PM

Terry,
If Goodyear gave 'us' the tire that would live up to the abuse, every piece of pipe out there now would be obsolete... flex walls, 30%+ growth, very 'soft' compound... we're pass the tire... and it's not Goodyear's fault...

As far as 'killing' engines and bottom ends... heck, even blower belts... it's not bad parts, it's good parts pushed beyond what was conceivable 25 years ago... and trying to make power that last less than 5 seconds under full load... all of which could be fixed by two line in the rule book. "All cars must Run with the Heads, Block, Crankshaft, Rods and Pistons that they qualified with." The other Line? "During Eliminations, All cars must be in the staging lanes 30 minutes after the completion of their previous run"

d'kid

#**125** 10-02-2007, 04:19 PM

Karl...I agree w/ you on that...

#**126** 10-02-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Stalcup

Terry,
If Goodyear gave 'us' the tire that would live up to the abuse, every piece of pipe out there now would be obsolete... flex walls, 30%+ growth, very 'soft' compound... we're pass the tire... and it's not Goodyear's fault...

As far as 'killing' engines and bottom ends... heck, even blower belts... it's not bad parts, it's good parts pushed beyond what was conceivable 25 years ago... and trying to make power that last less than 5 seconds under full load... all of which could be fixed by two line in the rule book. "All cars must Run with the Heads, Block, Crankshaft, Rods and Pistons that they qualified with." The other Line? "During Eliminations, All cars must be in the staging lanes 30 minutes after the completion of their previous run"

d'kid

Way to go, Karl. Simple and effective--hope someone is listening.

#**127** 10-02-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Stalcup

..................As far as 'killing' engines and bottom ends... heck, even blower belts... it's not bad parts, it's good parts pushed beyond what was conceivable 25 years ago... and trying to make power that last less than 5 seconds under full load... all of which could be fixed by two line in the rule book. "All cars must Run with the Heads, Block, Crankshaft, Rods and Pistons that they qualified with." The other Line? "During Eliminations, All cars must be in the staging lanes 30 minutes after the completion of their previous run"

d'kid

Come on now, that's not a real solution. No one would make it to the lanes.

Everything on these cars is being pushed beyond what was conceivable 25 years ago... Take a little bit of the down force away and there would no longer be any reason to push them so hard.

#**128** 10-02-2007, 05:30 PM

want to slow em down
put a conventioal blower case back on
restrict the opening in the blower
restrict the opening in the hat
if they cant breathe
they cant go as fast

#**129** 10-02-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Peltier

Come on now, that's not a real solution. No one would make it to the lanes.

Everything on these cars is being pushed beyond what was conceivable 25 years ago... Take a little bit of the down force away and there would no longer be any reason to push them so hard.

Nope, don't give the time to field strip the car... change the oil, Fuel it, Pack the chutes, back in the lanes... then the cars aren't set on kill every pass... yeah, I do remember running 32 car open shows, pop the covers to run the valves hot... throw in fresh plugs, drag it back up to the line...

And really, now we have teams swapping mills 'tween rounds in Neutered Floppers... (P/S)

Bottom Line... Ya break It, Your Days Done... how hard Are you gonna lean on it?

#**130** 10-02-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John Hart

want to slow em down
put a conventioal blower case back on
restrict the opening in the blower
restrict the opening in the hat
if they cant breathe
they cant go as fast

Nope, I'm saying take All the Restrictions Off... INNOVATION... do what you want, as hard as you want... but you have thirty minutes between rounds... on the same engine... anyone remember people taking ten to fifteen shots at Indy?

#**131** 10-02-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Stalcup

Nope, don't give the time to field strip the car... change the oil, Fuel it, Pack the chutes, back in the lanes... then the cars aren't set on kill every pass... yeah, I do remember running 32 car open shows, pop the covers to run the valves hot... throw in fresh plugs, drag it back up to the line...

And really, now we have teams swapping mills 'tween rounds in Neutered Floppers... (P/S)

Bottom Line... Ya break It, Your Days Done... how hard Are you gonna lean on it?

thats how we run on the nostalgia circuit and it's some good racing....you can change a piston or a head if need be in 30 minutes, i have seen it done

i think that same crank, block, possibly rods are good ideas....but heads and pistons are to easy to hurt....all you have to do is be a little on the lean side and you can nick a piston or hurt a head

#**132** 10-02-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Minick

thats how we run on the nostalgia circuit and it's some good racing....you can change a piston or a head if need be in 30 minutes, i have seen it done

i think that same crank, block, possibly rods are good ideas....but heads and pistons are to easy to hurt....all you have to do is be a little on the lean side and you can nick a piston or hurt a head

Point Mike....

One set of heads and one rack... but your 30 minutes start when you cross the scales...

#**133** 10-02-2007, 09:07 PM

One thing that will not fly...........4.80's or .90's, T/F

5.0's F/C

In the warm(er) months single mag 60 gal pump restricted intake/overdrive.......not to mention less downforce/tire

That is the best we will see.

Better not let the A/fuelers or TA/FC run the same event.

Those poor SOB's will take a slap upside the head if they even get close.......

REX

#**134** 10-02-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex Lawler

One thing that will not fly...........4.80's or .90's, T/F

5.0's F/C

In the warm(er) months single mag 60 gal pump restricted intake/overdrive.......not to mention less downforce/tire

That is the best we will see.

Better not let the A/fuelers or TA/FC run the same event.

Those poor SOB's will take a slap upside the head if they even get close.......

REX

Oh really? why not?

I remember seeing my first Flopper 6... it was a Wednesday night at OCIR, a week before Indy... this guy from Chicago, Don something, just picked up a new car from Johnny B... could I tell you without the clocks if it was a 6.98 or a 7.13... nope...

outside the car, at half track, two equal cars (Dixon and the Prince) can you tell me, if both cars are hooked up and not dropping cylinders, if they are on their way to a 4.57 or a 4.87 run?

Hate to say this, but I can't see half a second... a pair of side by side 5.1 floppers look the same as a pair of side by side 4.75 floppers at half track...

The only 100% way to slow the cars down is to limit the time they have between rounds... and limit what can be replaced on the car between rounds...

d'kid

#**135** 10-02-2007, 11:06 PM

While we are wishing:

Same rules, but 1000 foot tracks: WOW ET's and low 300MPH speeds.

Just don't make a big issue of it to "Joe Fan" ...

F/C chassis integrity

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