Did Force and KB Crash?

#91 09-23-2007, 04:53 PM

i've watched the video about 100 times now and the more i watch it the more i tend to think that the clutch came out of John's car.....the blocks/Kenny had nothing to do with this at all other then they were simply there

#92 09-23-2007, 04:57 PM

Not exactly a fan of Force but this is sickening. Thoughts and prayers to John and his family. I was hoping, at first, that it wasn't that bad and Ashley would win her first race to salvage the weekend. They have had the tougest of years.

#93 09-23-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Minick

i've watched the video about 100 times now and the more i watch it the more i tend to think that the clutch came out of John's car.....

Which would explain how he broke both his legs. I have always thought if there were a clutch failure that resulted in parts coming out of the bell housing would lead to broken legs. But that is peer speculation on my part.

#94 09-23-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Feyh

Not exactly a fan of Force but this is sickening. Thoughts and prayers to John and his family. I was hoping, at first, that it wasn't that bad and Ashley would win her first race to salvage the weekend. They have had the tougest of years.

Barry, I was thinking the same thing at first. I was hoping Ashley could get that first win, and John would be all better. Then, I kept reading. The more I read and watch the video the more I just can't believe what this whole team has been through this year.
I am just praying for a full, quick recovery for John.

#95 09-23-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Minick

i've watched the video about 100 times now and the more i watch it the more i tend to think that the clutch came out of John's car.....the blocks/Kenny had nothing to do with this at all other then they were simply there

That was what dawned on me just now looking at the stills just before your post. In the old days (yea, in the 60's and 70's) there used to be a lot of catastrophic clutch failures, I cannot remember the last one I have seen in the modern era...and the Jim Nicoll - Don Prudhomme indy incident did come to mind watching the video, only the cars didn't get together and Jim walked away in that incident...

#96 09-23-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Timm

Which would explain how he broke both his legs. I have always thought if there were a clutch failure that resulted in parts coming out of the bell housing would lead to broken legs. But that is peer speculation on my part.

that added to the fact that with the chassis breaking where it did....his legs are just kinda there dangling...which explains the nasty breaks

#97 09-23-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Timm

Which would explain how he broke both his legs. I have always thought if there were a clutch failure that resulted in parts coming out of the bell housing would lead to broken legs. But that is peer speculation on my part.

Or just the fact that once the chassis split and rolled, his leg protection was gone, hopefully his injuries are not as severe as like what Shirley went through in her crash in the '80's.

#98 09-23-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Minick

i've watched the video about 100 times now and the more i watch it the more i tend to think that the clutch came out of John's car.....the blocks/Kenny had nothing to do with this at all other then they were simply there

After many view of the video I concur. I think the timing of the blocks going across the lane is just coincidental. The pictures posted above seem to show the the first block passing behind the car. Then it seems that debris is flying off of Johns car before the second block even nears the car.

#99 09-23-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shannon Timm

Which would explain how he broke both his legs. I have always thought if there were a clutch failure that resulted in parts coming out of the bell housing would lead to broken legs. But that is peer speculation on my part.

He is lucky he didn't get them cutoff if that was the case!
That looked really bad! I hope he gets a full recovery and has full function of those limps.

Kenny is a damn good driver as is John this was a serious accident!

#**100** 09-23-2007, 05:06 PM

As Shannon said, everything we can think of is just pure speculation. The important thing is John will be okay. We all need to try to wait for JFR to say what happened and updates on John. In the meantime, just keep John and family in our thoughts and prayers.

#**101** 09-23-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Miller

A perfect example of why you should keep your mouth shut until you actually have data to reference like a video.

Kiss my A$$ Paul!!! I was forwarding on what I heard at the time...somebody got into somebody. From the stands it looked like KB crossed over from what I was told.

#**102** 09-23-2007, 05:08 PM

Dont jump the people who were blaming Berntstein, hell I even talked to people at the track and they all said the same thing that Bernstein t-boned Force. And if you read what was written, thats what they reported.

#**103** 09-23-2007, 05:08 PM

This is terrible news to wake up to. My thoughts and prayers to John and the entire JFR family.

S/F
D

#**104** 09-23-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Roberts

Kiss my A$$ Paul!!! I was forwarding on what I heard at the time...somebody got into somebody. From the stands it looked like KB crossed over from what I was told.

Everybody breathe, emotions are high because two living LEGENDS just got into a horrific accident and because of Medlin, there are already some sensitivities running high.

#**105** 09-23-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Miller

A perfect example of why you should keep your mouth shut until you actually have data to reference like a video.

Man chill out! And there was no reason to drop the murderplex line either.

Did Force and KB Crash?

Did Force and KB Crash?

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