Did Force and KB Crash?

#**331** 09-26-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex Lawler

Because you cannot see them does not mean they are not there.

The day of the broadcast all of my family clearly saw debris exit from Kenny's car directly under John's car. The moment it happened three of the four of us believed that debris to have cut down the left rear tire immediately destroying the body and beyond.
Hey Rex, my dad was a bricklayer and I followed in his footsteps starting my own company at the age of 21. I have since moved into land sales but I'll never regret my training as a mason.

#**332** 09-26-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex Lawler

Another thing that I constantly hear is Forces right tire goes down first. I don't know if it does or not but the very first visible occurance from that car is the left slick delaminating.

I can see a strip of rubber come off and fly up and over the rear of the car.

And any engine mayhem comes AFTER the car was already breaking up.

I wish i could see it in HD so I could see those projectiles you're talking about. It's definitely not the foam blocks because the 2nd hit cone flies behind John's car and the car is already coming apart by the time the 1st hit cone is within a couple feet. It sounds like John's crew agrees it's not the foam blocks. I've watched the run dozens of times and definitely agree with you that the first sign of trouble is pieces of rubber coming off of the left tire. You can see the tire delaminating follwed by the left quarter-panel tweaking. If you do a frame by frame you can see the left spill-plate rise up in the front/lower at the rear and the roof starts to distort shape. Then all of a sudden the whole quarter-panel just disintegrates followed shortly by the car breaking apart. Something caused the left tire to come apart and it just might be that debris you're seeing in the HD footage.

#**333** 09-26-2007, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Korreck

I know what I saw and I do have my opinion although Paul doesn't think I have the right to post it.

I have an idea. Why don't we wait and see what the investigators come up with?

Decisions are already being made and the trigger has already been pulled. And more than likely you'll never hear about it. The first phone call from the hospital wasn't to the Mrs. and this isn't the *second* chassis to come apart. Whatever the "investigators" come up with you'll never hear about. The only indications you'll see will come in the form of rules revisions if the powers to be have the courage to listen to a German guy who knows his stuff.

Over and out. I'm done.

#**334** 09-26-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Korreck

II have an idea. Why don't we wait and see what the investigators come up with?

I'm still waiting for the 'official' report on Darrell Russell's accident. Hope I live long enough.

#**335** 09-26-2007, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Miller

The day of the broadcast all of my family clearly saw debris exit from Kenny's car directly under John's car. The moment it happened three of the four of us believed that debris to have cut down the left rear tire immediately destroying the body and beyond.
Hey Rex, my dad was a bricklayer and I followed in his footsteps starting my own company at the age of 21. I have since moved into land sales but I'll never regret my training as a mason.

It was not the blocks but something else that flew under John's car when Kenny hit the blocks. And I or no one else is Kenny bashing. Stuff happens. He is a pro. What I can't understand is if this is what happened why are they putting plastic mirrors "debris" on the track to start with? Would not foam with some reflective tape work? Just wondering. Can someone share some info on this?

#**336** 09-26-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry Yonts

It was not the blocks but something else that flew under John's car when Kenny hit the blocks. And I or no one else is Kenny bashing. Stuff happens. He is a pro. What I can't understand is if this is what happened why are they putting plastic mirrors "debris" on the track to start with? Would not foam with some reflective tape work? Just wondering. Can someone share some info on this?

I thought somewhere in the 330+ posts, someone said their track does use reflective tape.

#**337** 09-26-2007, 07:51 AM

................and who is this mysterious German Randy keeps referring to?

#**338** 09-26-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Korreck

I know what I saw and I do have my opinion although Paul doesn't think I have the right to post it.

Who in the hell said you do not have a right to post your opinion? Did you read the link? Team Force is contradicting what you saw and is saying Kenny hitting the cone had nothing to do with the crash.

Here is the quote from Dave Densmore PR rep of Team Force, “Kenny hit a cone, which every driver has done at some time or another. However, when given access to video from all angles, it's obvious that the cone goes behind John's car and is never a factor."

#**339** 09-26-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackee Allen

I'm still waiting for the 'official' report on Darrell Russell's accident. Hope I live long enough.

From what I heard, Darrell's death was simply the result of a wayward wing strut that was sheared off and went into the rollcage when the tire blew. Why do you think they have the roll cage shielding? To keep the wing strut should it get sheared off or other parts from spearing drivers.

In this case of John Force, I am going to wait and see what JFR says, but if it isn't anything that came from KB's car, then what? I personally find it hard to imagine a tire blowing or going down could cause that bad of a chassis failure. And I'm not blaming Kenny either, just sayin.'

#**340** 09-26-2007, 09:42 AM

It don't take much at the speeds these guy's and gal's are going in the form of debris to cause a heap of damage.

I understand Randy's frustration given the track record of the powers of the NHRA rule makers. I hope no knee jerk reactions happen here!

#**341** 09-26-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Miller

Here is the quote from Dave Densmore PR rep of Team Force, “Kenny hit a cone, which every driver has done at some time or another. However, when given access to video from all angles, it's obvious that the cone goes behind John's car and is never a factor."

I think several of us here agree, it's definitely not the cone(s). But what about the debris that the guys with HD can see shoot forward and to the left that they say goes under John's car? Just because it's not the blocks doesn't mean it couldn't be pieces of reflector (if they're not stickers) or small pieces of bodywork. Even a small piece of carbon fiber or plastic could be enough to damage the tire.

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Originally Posted by Samuel Davidowicz

From what I heard, Darrell's death was simply the result of a wayward wing strut that was sheared off and went into the rollcage when the tire blew. Why do you think they have the roll cage shielding? To keep the wing strut should it get sheared off or other parts from spearing drivers.

But where's the official report? Remember, they were getting ready to release it 2 years ago.

#**342** 09-26-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Miller

Here is the quote from Dave Densmore PR rep of Team Force, “Kenny hit a cone, which every driver has done at some time or another. However, when given access to video from all angles, it's obvious that the cone goes behind John's car and is never a factor."

With no disrespect to Dave, Paul,I believe he also said, in a release, that John ran into Kenny's car and hit the wall in the right lane. John was way back against the wall in the left lane (barely visable in most videos) and it was the front section of his car that hit Bernstein, and then rode down the wall.

Hopefully, something concrete will be forthcoming.

#**343** 09-26-2007, 11:24 AM

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But where's the official report? Remember, they were getting ready to release it 2 years ago.

I have a feeling Julie's lawsuit is preventing the report from being released. Just a guess.

#**344** 09-26-2007, 12:00 PM

There has never been a written report about anyone killed in NHRA competition to date....Or even an accident....Things are spilled over to the rule book w/ changes/revisions....

#**345** 09-26-2007, 12:21 PM

I said this before and I'll say it again...pieces of Kenny's body went across the lane under John's car. Have you not seen what a timing block will do to a carbon fiber body at 300+ MPH? The block caused the damage and the splinters went into John's path.....

Does anyone remember seeing a full report of Eric's wreck???? What makes you think they will or need to release that info to the public.....

Did Force and KB Crash?

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