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Old 09-24-2007, 11:20 PM
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Re: Did Force and KB Crash?

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Yep.....small piece wayyy ahead of the blocks, probably a mirror segment.

Saw it w/me own two peepers.

More people oughta spring fer HD (hey.....only 12 more eeeeeeeazy p-p-p-p-p-payments to go

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The reflector that is used is a round plastic type, when a car hits the block they just explode into a million little pieces, at our track we have replaced them with a special reflective sticker.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:48 PM
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here is the interview he did. There is one of Ashley that DRO posted too.

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Boy, I am happy we still have ol' Force around...
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:52 PM
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As loud as the sea of silence yesterday.....is the sigh of relief by our community. I'm so glad he is going to be OK......my prayers to a speedy recovery!
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:04 AM
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here is the interview he did. There is one of Ashley that DRO posted too.

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Boy, I am happy we still have ol' Force around...
THAT is an awesome interview. He really may be back at Virginia. Seriously. He sounded determined.
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:02 AM
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Re: Did Force and KB Crash?

Waaaaa . I can't see either of those videos. Get the little box with a dot in it. Hope they make it to YouTube.
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:34 AM
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Other similar quotes:

I spilled hot coffee in my lap...and it burned my (insert comment here) like it was supposed to.

My mother-in law showed up without calling first...just like she always does.

The dentist pulled the wrong tooth...just like I thought he would.

The chassis broke at the seat bar exposing the drivers legs at 300+ miles per hour...just like it was designed to.
Wow, you're having a rotten day ^.

I think the point is that Dunn said it. I'm Sure, he was shook up at the time, to say the least. I'm sure that there are design features which allow the car to break upon impact and that JF's car probably broke somewhere else.
Most of all, as banged up as the Old Warrior is, I'm thrilled that he's alive and breathing and will recover.
Surely the team and The NHRA will post the official crash report, and then we'll know the whole truth.
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:48 AM
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Wow, you're having a rotten day ^.

I think the point is that Dunn said it. I'm Sure, he was shook up at the time, to say the least. I'm sure that there are design features which allow the car to break upon impact and that JF's car probably broke somewhere else.
I think you're correct, Mike. When Dunn said that there was no way he could see where the car came apart. I'm sure he assumed, like most everybody else, that the car came apart at the motor plate.
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:45 AM
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The reflector that is used is a round plastic type, when a car hits the block they just explode into a million little pieces, at our track we have replaced them with a special reflective sticker.
I saw it too. HD does make a huge difference. I kept wondering why the announcers didn't see it and comment during all the replays. I'm no expert and don't know that's what caused the crash but you can plainly see pieces of something go under John"s car right before the tire came apart.
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Surely the team and The NHRA will post the official crash report, and then we'll know the whole truth.
Sure,(NHRA) they'll get right on it, just as soon as they finish the Russell report.
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Old 09-25-2007, 09:52 AM
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Tough questions need to be asked. I have a horse in this parade and want answers, too.

After the Bernie Federle's interview we wondered if JF Racing has taken extra steps (added components, tubing, heat treat, whatever) with good intentions that have actually made their chassis less stable. This was a fairly new car. Comments made about one of the reasons they were withdrawing Ashley made us wonder.

Del had a violent crash going head over heals 2-3 times and the frame held together. KB's car was still driveable after getting T-boned by JF's and then impacting the wall. They even towed it back to the pits with a tow strap and put it up in the air on Pro Jacks to work on it in the pits. Robert Hight hit both guardails very hard when he caught fire and Ashley stated that her car sustained 54+G's when she smacked the wall head on in a peddal fest a few months ago. None of these violent crashes resulted in major chassis failure while JF's car came apart without contacting anything. Is this specific to the newer JF's cars only. If so, why?

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Now that we are pretty sure that Force is going to be OK, Randy's question above should take critical priority. Force (and all of us in and around drag racing) got REALLY lucky on this one. No one should count on being that lucky again.

Will the information as to what happened and how to prevent it in the future be released? Or are we going to have another round of "Cover My Azz" statements, legal posturings, and a final roaring silence like we've had so many times before?

Way back when, someone mentioned the need for an FAA-like investigation into any serious crash. While more bureaucracy is never good, I'd love to see an independent, science-based process in place.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:43 AM
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Pretty obvious isn't it Ross. I hope Kenny will come out of this OK when they figure it out. It's going to be tough for him to handle.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:48 AM
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Re: Did Force and KB Crash?

does anyone think that this might cause the NHRA to look at developing a design similar to F1 or Indy cars have for the driver? So you would have a full piece that the driver sits in and then the car is designed to break apart around it. This design would have reduced John's injurys and it could save others in the future.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:50 AM
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Re: Did Force and KB Crash?

Well, Densmore himself says that "when given access to video from all angles, it's obvious that the cone goes behind John's car and is never a factor."

They must have video from the starting line area that we haven't see yet that proves it. It's probably the videos that all teams make of every run that shows it.

Somehow, I doubt this will silence the Kenny bashers.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:19 PM
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Sure,(NHRA) they'll get right on it, just as soon as they finish the Russell report.
What I meant was that the Force team will do the investigation, and both they and the NHRA will release the report.
As JF is also the team owner, this thing will not wind up in any court, IMHO.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:20 PM
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does anyone think that this might cause the NHRA to look at developing a design similar to F1 or Indy cars have for the driver? So you would have a full piece that the driver sits in and then the car is designed to break apart around it. This design would have reduced John's injurys and it could save others in the future.
I've seen more than one set of legs dangling in the air from an Indy car wreck at *under* 200 miles per hour. I think a properly built chrome moly funny car structure is stronger than the driver's compartment of an Indy car or F1.

My opinion is that funny cars, while the hardest to drive, are still the safest of the cars running 250 miles per hour plus (alky included).

Some forces and loads are not withstandable, though. The cage area of a Cup car has a lot of tubing. I remember seeing a driver (name slips my mind) hit an opening at a short track a handfull of years ago and it just about spit the driver out on the track. Kenny Koretsky vs Bruce Allen was another one that made me hold my breath.

Point, to me, is the fact that in JF's case he hit nothing and his car fell apart. Something stinks here, because there have been some extremely violent funny car wrecks where the drivers compartment was not comprimised.

For example:

Back in 1993 Kenny Mooers was driving his TA/FC (Plueger clone built by Kenny) at Bakersfield. From the left lane his car made a sudden hard right turn past 1/2 track at over 200 miles per hour. It went right through the right Armco guardrail, slid upside down on the return road and T-boned the I beam that holds the right lane score board up. The car slid only a few more feet because the I beam brought it to a violent dead stop. Kenny ended up with a broken ankle. That was the most violent funny car wreck I've seen in 37 years of participating in the sport. I thought he was a goner.

I helped load the car and not one frame rail was broken. It was pretty bent up, but no welds failed and no tubes were broken.

What has changed????

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